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[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Where is your evidence that trans people don't have the brain of their opposite sex in them?

Where is your evidence that persons with male bodies and XY chromosomes in every cell have brains that are female with XX chromosomes? In utero, brains don't develop separately from the rest of human bodies.

If gender identity is not a real thing, why do people who think they are not the sex they were assigned at birth and were born in the wrong sex and body exist? What's going on in their brains that makes them think they are in the right or wrong sex and body?

Gender identity obviously seems real to people who claim they have one, but it's not in any way observable or evident to others, nor is it verifiable or measurable by any objective means.

Gender identity is like souls; the claim that some people have them is matter of emotion-based faith, not of empirical fact.

As to what's going on in these people's brains that makes them have these particular delusions, sexual fantasies and obsessions, it's not clear. Also, not the job of GC to "explain." Coz we're not the ones making these fatuous claims.

Trans, and nonbinary people use male and female to refer to gender identity, not sex. Why should "male" and "female" not be defined to mean one's gender identity aside from one's sex?

Bully for them. But niche special interest groups don't have the right to redefine by fiat and diktat commonly-understood words used by the entire human race.

Female and male are biologically-defined terms that refer to the two distinct types of plants and animals in sexually reproducing species - one of which has evolved to develop the potential capacity to produce small gametes, sperm, at some point in time; the other of which has evolved to develop the potential capacity to produce large gametes, eggs or ova, at some point in time.

Most humans, and all of the millions of other sexually-reproducing plant and animal species, do not have "gender identities." What's more, humans and other animals over time have evolved to be very adept at distinguishing the sex of plants and animals of other species as well as sex within their own species.

Dogs can tell the difference between men and women, as can infant humans. Many crops (apples, almonds, broccoli, etc) depend on pollination by bees - basically assisted fertilization; in order for this to happen, bees have to know the difference between the male and female fruits and vegetables involved. Asking animals and people to use male and female to refer to "gender identity" rather than sex means going against the entire history of evolution and expecting the human and animal kingdom to deny what their senses tell them.

Are there any disadvantages that come with male and female being used to refer to other things besides sex?

Yes. Agriculture would completely collapse if neither humans nor other species could identify the sex of plants and animals - and had to rely instead on plants and animals somehow revealing their inner "gender identities." Pollination of plants and the mating and reproduction of agricultural animals would become much more "iffy" and eventually would stop.

Imagine if farmers couldn't distinguish between bulls and cows based on their clear biological differences, but instead had to suss out the animals' gender identities. Consumers would end up with bull semen in their coffee, on their cereal and fed to their children.

[–]PassionateIntensity 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Are there any disadvantages that come with male and female being used to refer to other things besides sex?

Yes. Agriculture would completely collapse if neither humans nor other species could identify the sex of plants and animals - and had to rely instead on plants and animals somehow revealing their inner "gender identities." Pollination of plants and the mating and reproduction of agricultural animals would become much more "iffy" and eventually would stop.

Imagine if farmers couldn't distinguish between bulls and cows based on their clear biological differences, but instead had to suss out the animals' gender identities. Consumers would end up with bull semen in their coffee, on their cereal and fed to their children.

😂 Taken literally or seriously it leads to the extinction of all life on earth -- but hey, no biggie.

[–]MissDimples[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Taken literally or seriously it leads to the extinction of all life on earth -- but hey, no biggie.

Well, I'm all for extinction of all "life" so it's not a biggie really. (no, I'm not joking. Saying this because most times people are like "are you joking" and I'm expecting that to pop up)

[–]MissDimples[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where is your evidence that persons with male bodies and XY chromosomes in every cell have brains that are female with XX chromosomes? In utero, brains don't develop separately from the rest of human bodies.

I have a question. Someone here said:

Additionally, homosexual males have female typical brains and homosexual females have male typical brains:

Analysis of Human Brain Structure Reveals that the Brain “Types” Typical of Males Are Also Typical of Females, and Vice Versa: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6204758/

There are other articles that say gay males have female brains and gay females have male brains: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/study-says-brains-of-gay/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2008/06/20/brains-of-gay-people-resemble-those-of-straight-people-of-opposite-sex/

They all mean gay males have female brains and gay females have male brains, gay males are just females or female brains in male bodies and gay females are just males or male brains in female bodies so, if that's the case then a female can have a male brain and a male can have a female brain and somehow the brains developed separately from the rest of the body? ...

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have no wish to get into your argument with futureghost. There are more commonalities than differences in the brains of males and females. I don't buy the idea that all members of one sex have brains that are so distinctly, markedly different from the brains of the opposite sex that we can say females have one type of brain, and males all have another type of brain altogether.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00677-x

Anyone who claims that

somehow the brains developed separately from the rest of the body

Has no idea how embryonic/fetal development occurs. You really think that in utero the brain and the rest of body develop separately and the brain only gets put inside the head and connected to the rest of of the body sometime before birth?

If that's the case, then all the billions of scans done of human and other animal fetuses whilst still in the womb should clearly show exactly where it is in the uterus that the fetal brain is situated when it's developing separately from the rest of the body. Tons of human fetal sonograms are available online - just do a google image search. Please do post some of those images showing us exactly where it is that the human brain is located when it's developing separately from the rest of the body.

BTW, MRI imaging of fetal brains themselves has been done successfully as early as 20 weeks. The brains of fetuses have all been shown to be inside the skulls already. They weren't found floating around somewhere else in the mothers' uteri separate from the rest of the fetuses' developing bodies.

Over the course of history, many women have miscarried or had stillbirths prior to term, and with advanced medical care nowadays many extremely premature infants are born and remain alive at ever-earlier ages. But funny thing is, no medical authority has ever reported that in any these cases it's been customary for the brains to be separate from the rest of the bodies. Or that this has ever happened at all.

Believing that brains develop separately from the rest of our bodies is as absurd as believing Noel Fielding was speaking scientifically when he depicted Bryan Ferry's head a kite detached from his body, and Brian Eno's as an orange frisbee that also served as a Greek dipping platter.