QT: What do you think about the AGP model and posts that are documented in itsafetish?

submitted by [deleted] from self.GCdebatesQT

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Could you elaborate on all of your points please? What do you mean by wonky and what do you mean by a 'dynamic effect?' I want to understand better.

By essentialist do you mean it is based on male biology? I'm not a radical or GC feminist and I don't believe gender is entirely or even largely socialized (how much is probably impossible to tell though), so if my understanding is right that would be something for other people in this sub to defend.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sure. I mean that variation in gendered behaviour creates the behaviours we see.

It's like "attraction to men," androphilia.

Both men and women can express androphilia. I think that's natural. I think the trigger is likely the same in both sexes. There is not a magical biological gay circuit. It is cross gendered behaviour. However on average it is expressed in different ways.

For instance men use more visual porn and are more objectifying of the male form than androphilic women. Is that cultural? I guess radical feminists would say that is because men are brought up like that and expressing the same attitudes about men. But it seems such a consistent repeating pattern of a frequently supressed attraction I find that hard to believe.

To me it is that male sexuality directed towards males is more likely produces a particular form of sexuality. That's the dynamic aspect.

Yes women can express something very similar, but it is rarer.

I think there maybe something similar going on with crossdressers. To me it makes more sense than just-so stories for every different example of gender variant behaviour or the entirely socially constructed form.

But this doesn't resolve policy questions.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Men use more visual and explicit porn in general though. My understanding is that they are more visually connected to their sexuality and sexual interests than females are (generally.) So this says to me it's biological, not cultural. Wouldn't the question be if androphilic men use more visual porn and are more objectifying of their desired sex than gynephilic men? There's the behavior (androphilia) and there's the biological system it's plugged into - one being a female body and one being a male body, with their differences in sex drive, number of partners desired, and age-based "sexual market value" which is an awful term but one I find to be useful, sadly.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Men use more visual and explicit porn in general though. My understanding is that they are more visually connected to their sexuality and sexual interests than females are (generally.) So this says to me it's biological, not cultural.

Well sure. That's what I think might be going on. That dynamic effect creates a male androphilia on average not quite like the androphilia that appears in women, on average.

Wouldn't the question be if androphilic men use more visual porn and are more objectifying of their desired sex than gynephilic men?

I'm not sure what you mean there?

There's the behavior (androphilia)

Which is natural.

and there's the biological system it's plugged into - one being a female body and one being a male body, with their differences in sex drive, number of partners desired, and age-based "sexual market value" which is an awful term but one I find to be useful, sadly.

Sure. Perhaps all the attributes that are described as different between sexual behaviour differences between men and women could be reduced to "drive." I'm not sure. If I'm going to be essentialist I think I try to reduce the qualities in number. But other attributes certainly seem independent and important.