GC: With the potential for future advancements in medical technology, what does this mean for the immutability of biological sex?

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Nothing. The most advanced pseudovagina is still not a vagina. A super advanced diving suit doesn’t make one a fish either. The suit is just as artificial.

Besides, unless you’re gonna trans the baby as you’re announcing the pregnancy, the kid will be subjected to gendered socialisation and will not experience the same thing as their gender identity lines up with.
No surgery can give a man a girlhood, and they ought to be grateful for that.

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Thank you for your input ☺️

When I created this post, I should have made mention of gendered socialization, as I agree with all the commenters that have talked about this in that no medical or surgical process could ever create that kind of socialization. I suppose I was primarily trying to focus in on the immutability of sex, and not anything gender-related.

I would not classify someone who was born female and someone who had a "complete" sex change in the same category, but I do think it makes the idea that "sex is immutable" a little more ambiguous. The primary reason I wouldn't classify them in the same category is that even in a genderless society (a society without gendered socialization), we would always have a level of "sexed socialization," since male and female bodies are just naturally different, which would naturally lead to differing paths of socialization. Is this a distinction you would also agree with?

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I’d still disagree purely because is sex was actually mutable, it wouldn’t require extensive surgical and chemical intervention to change.

[–]transwomanHesitantly QT?[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, but we already agree that sex is immutable as it stands in the present reality. We're just talking in a hypothetical situation where we can change all the signifiers we use for sex.

How does the extensiveness of a change invalidate the mutability of something? If it's possible to change, regardless of extensivity, doesn't that make it mutable?

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Time travel back to gestation and being born the opposite sex.

Nothing will undo socialisation so imo, surgeries will never cut it.