Transwoman Hannah Mouncey Denied Access to Women's Locker Room

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[–]Cindy 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

It's an interesting discussion. If, with crazy advanced surgery, you could change a male into a female in almost every conceivable way except the XY chromosome is preserved and they are infertile, is it still a male?

[–]Susiesmum[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not possible to change sex. A eunuch is still Male.

[–]Cindy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm more or less on your side but can't we get a little transhumanist here? If future technology allowed a man to change his body to the exact dimensions of a woman, with female hormones, vagina, uterus, ovaries, fertility, facial structure, body structure, etc. and is in ever way indiscernible from a woman, is that person still a man? IMO maybe they are not a woman, but sure as hell are not a man

[–]Susiesmum[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But they wouldn't be indiscernible from a woman. Male socialisation and decades of experiences as a man don't evaporate just because someone has surgery. Womanhood isn't just about what you look like.

You might just as well ask if it's possible for a human being to become a camel. It might be possible at some future point to alter a human being to the point that they are physically identical to a real camel, but would a human being truly think and feel and behave the way a camel does?

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That will never happen.

[–]Uranian 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, they are still male because of that Y chromosome, but without a dick/balls, there might be a more reasonable argument for such a person to be accommodated in female locker rooms. This fella though - no way.

[–]Realwoman 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not in sports though. Even after your dick and balls get removed, if you're a man, you still retain many advantages thanks to both prenatal exposure to testosterone and male puberty.

[–]yishengqingwa666 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No males in female spaces, no matter how much hormones they ingest or how much surgery they have done.

[–]Catbug 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Doesn’t matter how much you mangle the dick or how blow-up doll you make the face look. Sex is permanent and unchangeable.

[–]MenAreFragileBabies 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's still a guy. We are socialized based on our biology as kids. You can't change all that socialization from a young age. People will always know whether you are male or female based on how you behave, no matter what you do to your body.

That's why it's so important not to socialize kids into gender stereotypes. You are literally crippling your girl children for the rest of their lives. Boys are socialized badly too, to ignore feelings and boundaries, to be violent, etc. We hurt our kids so much by shoehorning them into these roles.

Biology only matters because we make it so meaningful. It shouldn't be that important. The only way to make it less important though is to stop with all the gendering, trans ideology is 100% wrong on this bc they want MORE gendering.

[–]Cindy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks MenAreFragileBabies, very cool!

[–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ok female

[–]Quixoticfutz 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes of course he'd sill be male no matter how much we are able to change the exterior, don't see where the doubt it.

[–]yishengqingwa666 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Males cannot become female. Ever.