A logical argument to show that the virus is not as deadly and infectious as is claimed and the lockdown measures are unnecessary

submitted by dontbuyanylogos from self.Coronavirus

If the virus is as deadly and infectious as is claimed then Sweden would have a far greater proportional death toll and case rate than the UK, Spain, France and Italy due to not locking down.

If the virus is not as deadly and infectious as is claimed then the lockdown measures are unnecessary.

Sweden has roughly the same proportional death and case rate as the UK, therefore the virus is not as deadly and infectious as is claimed and the lockdown measures are unnecessary.

The structure of this argument:

Modus tollens:

A = The virus is as deadly and infectious as is claimed.

B = Sweden has a far greater number of deaths and cases proportionally.

C = The lockdown measures are necessary.

i. If A then B.

ii. If and only if A then C.

iii. Not B.

iv. Therefore not A.

v. Therefore not C.

Evidence to support iii:

Deaths

UK deaths per million: 1,108

Sweden deaths per million: 861

Italy deaths per million: 1,253

France deaths per million: 1,001

Spain deaths per million: 1,092

Cases

UK cases per million: 39,866

Sweden cases per million: 43,171

Italy cases per million: 35,855

France cases per million: 40,702

Spain cases per million: 41,888

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[–]mongre 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Any analysis you try to give is junk when they're falsifying test results. The tests have no way of determining if you have the Corona virus, just that you have elevated antibodies from one of dozens of viruses.

[–]dontbuyanylogos[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i agree but the thing is, even with the official stats, the lockdowns aren't justified

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I say this all the time. The data uses false numbers. It's anybody's guess at how bad this may or may not be. I for one think it's draconian to make people lose their jobs and livelihoods over "maybes"

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm really thinking that fatness and general health of nations is going to turn out to have a far higher correlation to death rates than any government measures.

There is zero correlation between locking down or not and death rates. You could try to say this is down to how much people follow the rules but I'm not seeing any correlation with that either.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the financial issues are the biggest one to point to. That can't be argued. Most of the people in my life are in dire straights, and if things don't change, they will be out of their savings soon. Plus, looking for jobs right now is a nightmare. Everywhere says go online. Online job searching is hell. It's worse than online dating. (unless you work with tech)

[–]cryptEX 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just you wait until the next one. Bill Gates says you will never forget it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah sweden does have deaths but it is a similar amount to countries that did do a lockdown. Truth is though that in sweden they left it up to people to wear masks or socially distance, and many did. That same approach has been used in USA and in fact many people have been living their life the same especially in red states, no masks etc. Dems always complain about trump not doing a lockdown or making them wear masks well he can't constitutionally so left it up to states to do it and take the politicial hit, of course Biden won anyway.

the main factor that effects how fast this spreads is how densely packed a nation is. Not just population divided by square miles either, how many are in cities as opposed to out in rural areas.

[–]wuzizname 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Taiwan, Singapore and Switzerland are also good examples but the counter argument is always the same: “those people listened to the authorities and complied, they trusted the science not like us!”

You will always be called a murderer for questioning Chairman Fauci.

[–]StrategicTactic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another example