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[–]rdh2121 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Oh boy! More misinformation and fearmongering clogging up a subreddit that could be used for, y'know, actual useful information.

Personally, I draw the line at science deniers and conspiracy theories, but that seems to just be me.

[–]CompleteDoubterII 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

While the rant about globalist Illuminati and Gates' supercomputer is probably misinformation (I must admit I never looked into them much, thus the word probably), doesn't the cartoon present a valid point about government overreach and the destruction of civil liberties?

I do wonder why you would draw the line at conspiracy theories. I think there's good reason to believe that some of them are true. But those who refuse to debate science are relatively annoying.

[–]rdh2121 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

doesn't the cartoon present a valid point about government overreach and the destruction of civil liberties?

Absolutely not. Brandolini's Law is in full effect here, but I guess I've got nothing better to do with my afternoon than break down just a bit of how biased and misleading this comic is.

rant about globalist Illuminati

This is absolutely misinformation, but it's critical to note that the comic assumes the existence of the Illuminati and their responsibility for mask policies as a presupposition. This starts off the entire argument on a false premise, and by setting it up as a presupposition, it makes the false premise more difficult to target with a rebuttal (check out the semantics of presuppositions for how they can't be targeted by negation).

The comic has started off with a false assumption, and we haven't even started talking about the content of the comic yet. This comic is already clearly conspiracy theory nonsense, and yet here I am still having to spend my time debunking it on a Subsaidit with like 10 users.

Citizens drawing the line (this isn't your quote, but this is how I'm quoting the comic)

What citizens?? The vast majority of citizens supported mask regulations until talking heads started making it a political issue that the sheeple were too stupid not to fall in line with. Even now the majority of citizens want mask requirements, at least by private businesses. The comic has started off by misrepresenting the number of people who agree with its premise, which is disingenuous and troubling.

Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of the country has no legal requirement to wear masks, and private businesses are well within their rights to require mask use, just like they can require shirts and shoes. Some of the larger, more troubled cities do have regulations (which I agree is an unconstitutional overreach), but for the slippery slope argument presented in the comic to hold water, its initial premise should have to hold for at least a bit more than a tiny percentage of the country, don't you think? Especially since its endpoint is so dire, far-reaching, and dystopian?

Mandatory vaccines

This is already a bridge too far, and the slippery slope has already broken down. There has been zero indication that Covid vaccines will be mandatory - this is pure speculation and fearmongering, and we're only in the second panel of the comic so far. It's not looking good for the "valid point about government overreach and the destruction of civil liberties". Not to mention that the step of mandatory vaccines depends on the prior step of mask regulations, which as we've already shown is entirely blown out of proportion by the assumptions of the comic, which are hyperbolic, purposefully exaggerated, and overwhelmingly false.

This step along the slippery slope is already unwarranted and we can safely ignore the rest of the comic (though we should have ignored all of it the moment we saw "Illuminati").

Biometric ID chip

2 huge problems here.

  1. Yet again, there has been zero indication that "biometric ID chips* will ever be mandatory, and since this step along the slippery slope is based on the already flawed prior step of mandatory vaccines, which also has zero evidence in support of it, this panel can be rejected out of hand. You've already mentioned how ridiculous any assumption of Bill Gates' involvement in any of this is.

  2. The government already has all of this information!! A "biometric ID chip" would give the government practically zero information that they don't already have. Your cell phone tracks your location to within one meter at practically all times. All of your medical information, personal information, relationships, fetishes, etc. have already been leaked online, and you have literally nothing left to lose. So, if you want to do something useful, stop fearmongering about conspiratorial what-ifs with literally zero support, and start advocating for the consumer and citizen privacy and information rights that we've already lost as the Information Age has so quickly outpaced the (purposefully) slow progress of our judicial and legal processes.

quarantine camps, I guess? or something??

I have literally no idea where in his ass Ben pulled this from, so based on the complete lack of support for literally anything else he's said in the entire comic, I'm going to assume that the US probably isn't Nazi Germany.

There. A full half hour of my life wasted debunking idiotic shit that nobody should have spent more than 2 seconds looking at before they rejected it out of hand. Ben Garrison is a hyperbolic, fearmongering hack, not only profiting off of, but stoking the fear and doubt that surrounds an international pandemic, and helping to ensure that our response to the virus is disunified, insufficient, and partisan, so that he can profit even further off the spiraling cycle of fear. Some in this sub will likely call this an ad hominem, but as the old saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me tens of thousands of times, in a row, with literally everything that has come out of your mouth for decades being an incendiary lie, shame on me".

Maybe I should thank him for keeping my expectations about my species nice and low.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Clogging up a subreddit that could be used for, y'know, actual useful information."

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Wrongthink! Thought crimes! Shun the nonbeliever!

[–]rdh2121 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Literally no one said any of that. This is Saidit, and nobody can silence you here.

But, I think adding "victim complex" to misinformation and fearmongering sounds appropriate.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Got any more dumb labels? "Science denier"... Did you know the majority of studies published in scientific journals aren't reproducible?

[–]rdh2121 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, "science denier" sounds pretty appropriate as well, now that you mention it. Add that to the list.

... Did you know the majority of studies published in scientific journals aren't reproducible?

Yes. Did you know that a) determining which studies aren't reproducible is a good thing, and entirely appropriate for rigorous scientific inquiry1 and b) that doesn't mean all of the numerous studies overwhelmingly showing the efficacy of masks and vaccinations specifically are among the unreproducible studies?

Got any more dumb non sequiturs to continue your attempts to distract and misinform?

1 You know what kinds of claims are never reproducible, because they have no basis in the scientific method? The misinformation, pathological science, and conspiracy theories this sub is constantly being spammed with. Remember that the first sign of a conspiracy theory is always having a ready answer for any and all criticism of your ideas.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"science denier" sounds pretty appropriate as well, now that you mention it. Add that to the list.

I was quoting you, Einstein

a) no shit b) you missed my point

Remember that the first sign of a conspiracy theory is always having a ready answer for any and all criticism of your ideas

That's retarded. Go back to plebbit, fedora fag.

[–]rdh2121 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Now now, let's have proper discourse. None of this dragging down the Pyramid of Debate with ad hominem just because your argument is bad and you have no other recourse. That's what Saidit is designed to avoid, remember? Be better, /u/tseug.

[–]Questionable 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The sections he quoted from you, do not hold merit. You can't ask people to adhere to the pyramid of debate, when you yourself seem to lack understanding of it. You are simply using it as a debate tool to push back against criticism.

"Remember that the first sign of a conspiracy theory is always having a ready answer for any and all criticism of your ideas"

That's not a rule of thumb. It is not worthy of being remembered. It is a lie. There is no truth in that sentence what so ever.

[–]Questionable 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You answered a different question. Sure you drew a line, on a question you asked of yourself.

[–]rdh2121 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, yeah. I can't very well draw any of the lines from the comic, since all of those lines are nonsense, so I figured I'd draw a real line instead.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'll deny corrupt science all day long: /s/memes/comments/5odi/qscientism/ Blind faith in corporate profit-driven unverifiable healthcare is Scientism.

It's no conspiracy theory that 1) the economy was collapsed for something less harmful than the flu, 2) there are riots that are intentionally allowed to instill fear in those communities while the police sit back and do nothing and in many cases instigate the problems, 3) the media is hell bent on inflaming civil war in this country, 4) Trump is letting it all happen, 5) there is power to be centralized and money to be made just as with the 6) perpetual wars that have finally come home. The surveillance police state is upon us - and not by coincidence.

Fifth-generation warfare 5GW - propaganda and information warfare to accomplish strategic, operational, and tactical objectives, without measurable damage that the target can identify. Importantly in 5GW the target may not even know it has been attacked, thus the target has already lost that battle. /s/Terminology/comments/5lxw/fifthgeneration_warfare_5gw_propaganda_and/

 

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Dumbo's Magic Feather - a special relic granting the bearer confidence when it's really a mental crutch without powers; similar to a placebo effect, sacred religious objects, status symbols to hide inadequacies, or wearing COVID-1984 masks to protect; from Disney's Dumbo the elephant learning to fly. /s/Illusions/comments/5pdp/dumbos_magic_feather_a_special_relic_granting_the/