Sweden is charging electric busses with DIESEL generators

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[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And the USA charges Teslas with coal power.

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No sane person would ever agree with the thesis of the article. All it shows is that someone made a mistake in a tiny part of the wind industry.

The equivalent would be to have a headline that oil is a scam, because all of it is leaked into Nigerian ground.

Having electric buses (yes, that's how you write it, genius) is obviously a good thing in the future for whoever is behind the bus (less exhaust and noise) and those inside (less noise). Do you think they will continue to use diesel generators forever at that location? If not, then why even report it?

Electricity is a superior form of energy, because it's convenient. Transporting fuel around all day long is just stupid. If diesel were completely clean, then in principle creating a network of pipes with diesel could work, but since combustion fundamentally causes wear and tear, you just end up having to replace your infrastructure all day long. It's just a dead end. Accept it and accept that everyone understands this.

In a few decades nuclear fusion reactors will output electricity directly to the grid. If there is a lot of demand for electricity, those are more economically viable. If there is only demand for diesel, nobody wants such developments. Electricity is the future and it has been gigantically successful already.

So, why do you post this? If anything, post an overview article of places where people do such things out of entertainment, but don't imply that these have any policy implications. The only reason to post something like this seriously is when you believe that electrons as charge carriers are fundamentally a bad idea because the transport costs would be too high compared to alternatives, like liquid energy carriers. In the real world, people are connecting continents together with cables thousands of kilometers long. If continuing to use ships to transport energy were cheaper, they wouldn't do that.

So, is there any user (not a shill) still left in the world that agrees with the article?

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Electricity is a superior form of energy, because it's convenient.

Exactly the opposite. It can not be stored. (in useful quantities) It always needs to be generated.

You always need some energetic processes to generate it at any time, either chemical or mechanical.
Solar and wind are just temporary and very low in power.
And the energy from and to those energy storage processes always have loss of energy.

Why did you post this?

The mechanisms for zero-carbon or carbon-neutral are FAKE.
It is destruction of society and a waste of energy.
It is far better to drive with normal busses during winter and save energy.
And get the electric busses out when it is summer.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly the opposite. It can not be stored. It always needs to be generated.

It's a meaningless concept. Oil needs to be refined and evaporates.

Solar and wind are just temporary and very low in power.

You can argue all day long, but solar is an economic way of producing power right now.

The mechanisms for zero-carbon or carbon-neutral are FAKE.

Direct-air capture is a real technology and there are more. However, most energy is still dirty, yes. Apparently, even natural hydrogen has been found. If we plaster the oceans with solar panels, there's more than enough energy (and no, those don't have to be made from rare earth materials; it's just that their efficiency is much higher when they are).

Some nuclear fusion forms of power generation generate electricity immediately without boiling water. So, you are wrong. It is true there is no public commercial reactor yet, but that's irrelevant; the mechanisms already exist and it's just a matter of time and capital before oil is obsolete for power generation.

It is far better to drive with normal busses during winter and save energy.

I doubt you have ever compared the two in a commercial setting and as such, why would anyone care about your opinion? The science is not on your side. The science says that even in winter time the opex is lower/km.

Climate change is mostly a political problem, not a technical one.