Conversation on Saidit with a climate change denier.

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[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

All life on Earth is carbon based.

True, but irrelevant to the discussion about CO2 being a greenhouse gas, the physics behind that, and how significant the increase in the concentration of CO2 is in the observed increase in global mean surface temperature.

to deny this, is to advocate for the death of the human race.

No one is denying that. And yet increasing the atmospheric concentration of CO2 increases the temperature, and that has many impacts on the biosphere and human infrastructure.

We are the carbon you wish to eliminate. ˑ

Not at all. Fossil fuels are the carbon we should eliminate for the most cost effective way to deal with global warming. The carbon already in the biosphere (or, at least, that was already in the biosphere prior to the industrial revolution) does not cause additional warming.

It's is additional warming that it is sensible and economic to limit.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

We are the carbon you wish to eliminate.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're trying to argue that without fossil fuels, all the carbon in the biosphere would disappear and all life would therefore be removed from the earth?

And you think a link to a journalist's write up of a paper looking at the greenhouse gasses in human breath makes that point?

The paper discusses methane and nitrous oxide, not carbon dioxide.

I'm inclined to assume that you know you're wrong.

Or do you think that for the past 4 billion years life has only been able to exist because some civilisation has been combusting fossil fuels?

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yes. The blame is put on the humans, to inflict guilt and shame. The humans are the carbon. But You already knew that, which is why I'm inclined to assume that you are playing dumb. '

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes. The blame is put on the humans, to inflict guilt and shame.

You don't think the increase in greenhouse gasses related to human combustion of fossil fuels, and we're merely scapegoats?

What do you think is burning the fossil fuels?

The humans are the carbon.

The carbon is fossil fuels. You know humans aren't fossil fuels, right? The carbon in the biosphere doesn't need fossil fuel carbon to supplement it in any way. It goes through the carbon cycle perfectly fine, and nothing dies from lack of carbon.

But You already knew that, which is why I'm inclined to assume that you are playing dumb.

One of us seems to be.

Life got along fine for well over 3 billion years without supplementing the carbon in the biosphere by burning fossil fuels. Neither the carbon in our bodies nor that of our domestic cows and plants will be extracted and eliminated if we stop burning fossil fuels.

But surely you do know that? Climate science denial arguments are so dumb.