What should the limits be on sub moderators?
submitted 6 months ago * by magnora7 from (self.AskSaidIt)
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[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago* (16 children)
I've been here longer than you. I didn't make all those subs. I was invited into many of them. I'm adding CSS to them, adding banners, and trying to find mods to share or give them to. I am not hoarding them and I resent you saying that, obviously without knowing anything about it. Further, if I was some kind of malevolent mod hoarder I would have actually used my all-mighty mod powers by now. I don't even know how yet. I'M NOT A REDDITOR and I reject any notions to conform to that site's failed culture or your limiting opinions on what I can or cannot do. So check yourself before you come at me again.
Also, I'm not against a democratic decision to determine a limit, though no one has adequately given a rational reason why, other than abuses. If someone abuses power they should be dealt with, regardless of whether they have one sub or a thousand. A person who kills another should be dealt with, regardless if they did it by accident, or in hate, hate for their skin, religion, or an ex-girlfriend. Just deal with the crime, not the what-if bullshit.
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (15 children)
I understand all of that but if your there to help with the CSS and not the moderation then leaving the subs after awhile would be a good course of action that way it dosen't seem like your sub hoarding.
I am not trying to limit opinions or anything I only stated that due to a DM where you stated you would prefer more subs over credit which made it seem like your intent was partly to hoard subs, I am sorrry if that wasn't your intent in any way I had misunderstood.
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 6 months ago (14 children)
So stop telling me how to mod and trying to put limits on me.
Who fucking cares if me or some chucklehead hoards subs? Why is your nose up his ass? As long as he's not a dick. If all of a sudden he turns into some CIA shill then M7D3 can pull his plug and he can start trying to hoard again under another alias.
I'll finish my fucking CSS when I finish it. I'll give my subs away when I'm 1) done, 2) ready and 3) can find some worthy people to hand off to. And while there seems to be no shortage of whiners here all the worthy folks are busy doing and building and making shit happen so the slackers can sit back and suck on our works and complain about it.
I don't know what DM is.
I want way more subs to better organize the content on SaidIt. If I have a post that fits under Law/Justice/Injustice/Legal/RiggedSystems/Voting - there's nothing for it. I'd be happier with metatags or categories but we don't have that yet. Subsaidits are the systems I'm working with. I don't give a fuck if I made the sub or not. If I made the sub then I'm sure as fuck going to put my "Ergonomix " CSS on it to make it easier to read and use.
I want way more subs as options to file my posts. That's it. I don't care who owns them.
I would say you can take most of mine but you're being a dick so I'd have to wait and see whether you are a dick or not. If you did take them then maybe you'd see a bunch of folks irrationally shitting on you for simply having subs, regardless if you're a maniacal malevolent mod or an absentee mod, or even something in between.
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (13 children)
Okay I'm not trying to personally attack you, your just an example because you own a high amount of subs without any intent to stop.
DM = Direct Message
And all I'm saying is that there should be a hard limit of subs per user of ~50 or something so no one person can mod to much of the subs and in turn not have to much control over the narratives.
[–]send_nasty_stuff 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (9 children)
I will attest that at least one of the subs jason has is modded by me and I invited him and he has been helpful. He wasn't pushy or anything to come over and be a mod. We are just a very small site right now so a lot of the new power users just look very busy with forming lots of subs.
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago* (5 children)
I understand and u/JasonCarswell (I pinged because I want you to know) if your willing to once the right users come along and this site grows give those subs to other users, then your doing nothing wrong.
I'd only used you as an example due to your high Sub count I understand your not Hoarding for personal gain.
Edit: Improved content and Format
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (3 children)
Even if I kept them all and more I'd still be doing nothing wrong.
When I do something wrong, only then will I have done something wrong.
We do not need pre-crime police here.
[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (2 children)
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun - 6 months ago (1 child)
The Autobahn became famous for not having any speed limits.
Q: If you add a speed limit to the Autobahn, what do you get?
A: You turn a free-way into just another shitty highway.
It may be riskier in some ways. In other ways not. Between Toronto and Windsor is 4 hours of the boring-est highway and LOTS of people die every year from falling asleep driving it.
Fast or slow, if someone fucks up, survives, and is responsible, then they must be held accountable. Not before. Not preemptively.
"The only thing we have to fear is fear of crime itself that hasn't happened yet and making up silly limits." ~ J.F.D.Rooseveltbergensteiniki
[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
"The only thing we have to fear is fear of crime itself that hasn't happened yet and making up silly limits."
"The only thing we have to fear is fear of crime itself that hasn't happened yet and making up silly limits."
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
Deal with evil when evil comes. In one sub or a thousand.
Otherwise stop using me as an example and fuck off. I'm not evil and resent being compared to it.
If I fuck 50 girls don't put a limit on me because there's a rapist around town.
d3rr has 58 and I'm not envious of his prowess nor hold it against him.
magnora7 has 90 subs.
All my subs, in order of conception, maker first:
That means only 8 are mine exclusively plus my 4 projects with my aliases.
And somewhere in there I made /s/WatchPeopleDie, un-modded, and gifted that away to someone who wanted it badly before their 2 weeks were up.
/s/altrightwebm I joined to help with their CSS. I've had a shitty 2 weeks in pain and haven't yet. When I'm done I'm gonna jump off it. I'm anarcho-Marxist anyway.
From the beginning and since then I have always invited magnora7 and d3rr. magnora7 has never accepted but I have not recinded. d3rr stopped accepting after a while as he said it might not look good collecting a bunch. Nonetheless he's still there, for when I'm not, and if/when I eject. There are no other complicated reasons why that I'm aware of.
Get off my dick. You crazy.
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 6 months ago* (2 children)
Thanks for the support. I haven't forgotten you. You are still in my messages. I've had a shitty 2 weeks.
Meanwhile, bust my balls when I do something wrong. Not before. Don't let your imaginations go wild over numbers of subs, empty, full, busy, or trickling.
[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago* (1 child)
I wasn't the one ball busting. I just agreed with the sub limit rule idea. I think it's natural for people in our truther/dissident community to be hyper skeptical of people so it doesn't normally bother me when people challenge me or question my motives. In fact I expect it. We've been gaslit for years by the media/corporate/military machine and we are all a bit on edge. I think a lot of the men in the movement are also trying to find their masculinity again so it's a space with people that like to challenge and be a bit aggressive.
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
I know you weren't. I still want people to call me on my shit so I can learn from it.
But I don't want limits put on me or anyone out of fear of crimes they haven't committed.
If this was my own site would anyone tell me how many articles I could write?
Are there limits on YouTube about how many videos you can make? (Actually I think four a day - but that could go on accumulating for years, like Pewdypie.)
I already have the 1 sub/week limit and will abide by that. I don't agree with it but I will respect it.
I have asked people what subs they are going to make and most people don't even think about it. I could count on one hand how many have asked about my future plans. I find that shocking. No one here has any foresight or ambition to plan things out or to find ways to cultivate this community and culture. Maybe it won't matter. Maybe it will bite us in the ass fatally.
I embrace skepticism. But fear and limits aren't that.
Lastly with all this energy wasted, someone could have learned to code and build metatags or categories for SaidIt and I would no longer want any subs, kinda like Steemit.
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (2 children)
DUDE, I already fucking said I filled up all the pressing subs and am going to focus on my own projects.
Read my tedious rant: https://saidit.net/s/GlossedOver/comments/m08/my_may_day_indulgent_sub_surge/
As long as people continue to make shitty subs I'm gonna make my subs with intent to serve the greater good of SaidIt as best as I know how.
If you think /s/fashwave (EDM for fascists), /s/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns (Happy gay sounds), /s/watchpeoplesurvive, /s/MildlyInteresting, and /s/RestrictedSubTest are more worthy than most of mine, then I'm open to hearing how.
Yet you are attacking me and using me as an example and poisoning people against me for NOTHING. I haven't even bothered to learn how to use moderation tools because I don't need to. MOST people on here are not asstrolls.
Now you're moving the goal post about limiting the control over the narratives.
[–]OmegaUser296 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (1 child)
Okay please read my comment in which I pinged/mentioned you before you continue to be hostile please.
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