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[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's how the more extreme pro-life people feel, because they are thinking critically, but the majority would easily support protections. I am merely talking about what a viable pro-choice strategy would be. You are likely pro-life and view abortion as murder. You are part of a rapidly growing minority that is growing because your strategies have been better the past few years.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't think any support that. And of course liberals won't support it as they want abortions at all times with no reason. This is why it's a black and white issue, either for it against

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Gallup polls disagree or at least did at the time. I included them in the post that got me banned. Almost 80% are neither pro-life nor pro-choice. They accept abortions in some circumstances but not all.

They are just less vocal.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Polls can be wrong. I think 90% of people at least are pro life but don't talk about it much. Plus people will likely come out as either or if they think about it and how it's not possible to do a law with half measures. Another is only allowing g it in first trimester. How can you tell when they was, woman might lie, or not even know, when she got pregnant.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We'll just have to agree to disagree about that 90%. The same polls almost always show twice as many pro-choice as pro-life people but as you said they may be wrong.

It is also medically possible to approximate what trimester a pregnancy is, there is no need for the woman/mother to state when she was pregnant, and therefore no risk of a lie making a big issue. There may be a week or two of gray area, but it's about as cut and dry as sex itself is.

The biggest issue imo is the beginning of the 2nd trimester. Amniocentesis is not possible until part way into the 2nd trimester. It's only after Amniocentesis that we know whether or not most serious health issues will affect the baby. However at this point fetuses have also been shown to experience empathy for their twins. This is where the debate should be taking place imo. This is where it REALLY gets messy.

Again though, we disagree and that's fine. I get the pro-life argument and think it's totally valid. I just happen to not share the opinion that an unborn fetus is equivalent to a whole human life. It's a difference of perspective.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If there's a week or two grey area, that's not cut and dry. And woke doctors will lie. So again it just has to be outlawed. I would be open to allowing it for some circumstances if we could be sure it won't be abused but it's not possible. I understand why pro choice people then just want it legal in all circumstances, up to date of birth, and not have to Show proof of anything, or gets doctors to give evidence.

The compromise though now is that states can make their own rules and that's best.