have you ever met an incel? how bad did he smell? was his face hideous?

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I was an incel. I smelled fine, and I only thought my face was hideous.

I've met plenty of others. They have a pretty wide range of appearances and smells, honestly.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

So you ascended?

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Sure. I mean, just poll the incel community. They're almost all between 16 and 23.

That's because, by age 24, 75% of them have gotten girlfriends and 20% of them are dead.

I made those percentages up but I'll still stand by them.

[–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

That's because, by age 24, 75% of them have gotten girlfriends

Only a Chad would say that.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I'm 5'7" and I have a big nose and a weird hairline - and no money to speak of - so I don't really fit the "Chad" archetype.

Dating just becomes different when you get to be around 23-24 years old. That's what incels really can't understand.

[–]Mcheetah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The real point is, the majority of men do not get girlfriends nowadays, incel or not. 75% would imply most men can get a woman easily by the time they're 24. In reality, it's 40% at most, but in reality, more like 20 to 33%. I'm not an incel at all (am pretty red-pilled though and generally a misanthrope at this point) and I certainly was never a panty-dropper like you're implying three out of four men are, let alone incel men, who are typically incels cause they cannot meet modern women's high physical expectations, to begin with.

In other words, you seem to be handwaving away all the problems that are present in modern society that leads men to become incels, in the first place, as well as implying it's extremely easy for (short, non-rich, non-athlete) men to get a woman. Not that having a woman makes a man more or less valuable to society; it's just not easy for most men anymore. The ones who can still easily get a woman in today's competitive market, are somewhat-humorously referred to as "the Chads," regardless of actual personality, ability to not abuse or mistreat a woman, or general ability to be a decent human being. All of that is irrelevant.

Other thing I may assume is, that you're just older; over 40. Cause for men under 40 nowadays, one-third of men in their 20s and 30s are still virgins (as opposed to one-fifth of women.) Yeah; shit is real out there. You are 100%-for-sure not the "average." Maybe not a Chad, but definitely in the upper 20% of men successful with women. I'm not even an incel; I'm just using statistics, here.

Like I said though, even Darksyde Phil and Destiny have had multiple girlfriends and even a wife. I used to think in my 20s that getting a woman was a sign of a man's worth, value, and masculinity. I can't be bothered to seeing value in most women anymore. Or this species, to be frank, not to get all edgelord here.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yeah, I've thought about this subject a lot.

The fundamental nature of human beings didn't change. 20 year old women and 40 year old women are not, like, different species from each other. Blackpill philosophy basically holds that women simply became insanely picky, and - well, it just isn't true.

So what did change? Basically I think it was two things: 1) it's very easy to entertain yourself indefinitely inside your house now; and 2) living with your parents until you're nearly 30 has become normalized.

And, you know, relationships require a lot of time. They're not something you're going to knock out in two hours a week. And she doesn't want to come to your mom's house at 1:00am and tiptoe up the stairs.

I remain convinced that the trick to getting laid is simply to minimize the amount of time you spend inside your house and to not live with your parents. When that was the norm, 91% of men were getting laid. As soon as it stopped becoming the norm, that figure collapsed to, like you said, about 66%. The nature of women didn't change. That changed.

[–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Blackpill philosophy basically holds that women simply became insanely picky, and - well, it just isn't true.

No. Women have literally ALWAYS been picky. Nine months of pregnancy and a lifetime of motherhood kinda explains away some of that. But modern women don't even want to have kids anymore and earn just as much money as men, making their pickiness unjustified and their shitty attitudes no longer tolerated by men who aren't still simping to them.

1) it's very easy to entertain yourself indefinitely inside your house now; and 2) living with your parents until you're nearly 30 has become normalized.

That has nothing to do with an obese, 5'4", 3 out of 10 single mother working at Target thinking she's owed a 28 year old, 6'2" millionaire Chad with six pack abs and a 9 out of 10 face merely cause she has a vagina and nothing more. Your theory is wrong. The only reason these women have such shitty attitudes is due to modern day feminism firing/suing/cancelling masculine men who used to tell these cunts to shut the fuck up, and social media elevating their egos to peak-high narcissism levels, when prior to the internet, women's egos weren't inflated living in small towns around people just as unattractive as them. But nowadays, Peggy Sue from Iowa can go on Instagram and have a thousand Indian simps feed her compliments, as well as other loser men from all over the world, with not a single one of them being within 1,000 miles of her location.

So I don't get why you think those two things have anything to do with the rise of singledom and incel culture, when they would also theoretically affect women as well, but they really aren't. Only men are being affected (the rise of gross acts like polygamy and "sharing partners," along with lesbianism and trans-partners, also being why less women are affected.)

I remain convinced that the trick to getting laid is simply to minimize the amount of time you spend inside your house and to not live with your parents.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not, but I'm 37, have had my own place for over a very long time, about to move in three weeks, spend five days a week doing mixed martial arts (and no, I'm not cut like a Chad; I'm still chubby like Kevin Owens from the WWE), and spend plenty of time being outgoing and engaging, as much as I can as a secret misanthrope. I've been this way for the past four years now, and still have no luck with women being short as fuck, ugly, and (because it matters here) dark-skinned.

I do think you're old-school and probably over 40, cause you seem to have a very naïve view of how modern dating works. Like, that shit was probably true in the 90s, but not now.

When that was the norm, 91% of men were getting laid.

As I said, I'm 37 and even in the 90s, that shit was only limited to like 50% of dudes, at the most. And yes, I'm talking about in America/the West. Where do you live that 91% of dudes were getting laid and fucking every chick in sight (or having healthy relationships.) It can't be a big city, cause shit was grim even back in the 90s and 2000s in big American cities.

The nature of women didn't change.

Women in the past used to have self-respect and there was even an unspoken rule that some women felt they had to sleep with a guy if he spent x amount of money on her, on a date (like $150+.) Not that I'm saying I support that line of thinking. But nowadays, women have such shitty attitudes, they feel like her just showing up is enough and the man should be grateful he has to pay $100+ on an angry cunt who "hates the patriarchy" but still willing to take a man's free dinners and waste his time without so much as a thank you for it.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you're incredibly naïve/old fashioned/old, if you think modern Western women haven't changed in the last 20 years and that being an angry, entitled, feminist cunt is still a rare occurrence among women. Not that so many men haven't become pathetic, limp-dicked betas and simps with no self-respect, as well. But they're not the majority.

Jordan Peterson is an otherwise intelligent man, but he has the same naïve and simplistic logic on modern women and dating, too. "Men just need to man-up!" he says as a 50-something multimillionaire who's been married for decades and has an adult daughter. Any man who thinks you can just go up to a girl and fuck her if you're confident enough, is 100% Chad-like. Even if they're short and ugly, like you implied before. Because that shit ain't reality. And it never has been.

Only thing that changed from the past is, women at least, used to be nicer, put more emphasis on personality, and weren't so extremely entitled. Welcome to the age of fourth wave feminism and woke culture to where shit like this is now the norm. Yes, that's a real profile I saw myself; not a random pic taken from the internet.

Incels exist for a reason, is what I'm saying. They're the natural effect of a society that's been degraded by social media, normalizing sex work and degeneracy, and infantilizing women's minds while inflating their egos. As a Millennial, I lived through all this shit, and now seeing Zoomer women be almost just as shitty and worthless.

TL;DR Version: Yes, women have changed. Yes, it's now the norm to not be able to impress a modern woman unless you're a top 10% man. Yes, the red-pill/black-pill has actual validity. And yes, incels aren't all just "pathetic losers who can't do the basics like working out and being proactive."

It's WAAAAAAAY more complicated than that. But still not that complicated, since women hold all the power in sex, dating, and relationships, and always have. Thus, most of the blame falls on them and their shitty impossibly-high standards for modern men when they ain't even worth the effort or trouble.

And frankly, why THE FUCK should a man have to be a multimillionaire who spends 20 hours a week in the gym for some retarded single-mom cunt who works at Taco Bell and spends half her day on Twitter thinking she's a "queen" cause the Barbie movie said so? Honestly, if anything is 91%, it's the percentage of modern Western women who are undateable trash. You don't have to be an incel to spit facts.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not trying to be rude, but you're incredibly naïve/old fashioned/old, if you think modern Western women haven't changed in the last 20 years and that being an angry, entitled, feminist cunt is still a rare occurrence among women.

So here's the thing - I'm only eight years older than you. And I date women in their thirties. Which means we share a dating pool. We're going after basically the same women.

You're apparently in good shape, and I'm an out-of-shape alcoholic. We're both short, we're both fairly ugly. So the question is: what's the difference between us?

Because I'm not finding that women insist on 6'2" millionaires with six pack abs. For whatever reason, I seem to do just fine. They're like: "Fat 5'7" broke alcoholic who makes a bunch of nerdy dad jokes and bleeds profusely from his anus? Sure, why not." I mean, it's not like I can usually just walk into a bar and take a girl home (though that has happened a couple times), but I do tend to get a new partner every year or so, and quite a lot faster if I actually try.

So... I guess the crucial difference between us could be one of about three things?

1) Skin tone. I don't know what it's like to have dark skin. Maybe the legions of anti-racist white women are secretly extremely racist? Maybe brown girls only want white men? Maybe your skin tone fucks you?

2) Geographic location. I don't know where you are. I'm in Nevada. Nevada's always been pretty chill about sex. Like, we have legal prostitution and we're one of the international centers of the porn industry, and that sex-ain't-a-big-deal attitude trickles down into the general population. Maybe you're somewhere way more uptight?

3) Ideology/personality stuff. I don't know, maybe your misanthropy kind of bleeds through? Maybe you've got traditional ideas about gender roles? Maybe despite implying that a 5'4", 3/10 single mother is unattainable to you, you actually have really high standards? I... don't know you.

All I can say for sure is: short ugly guys can get laid. Because, well, hi. Short ugly guy here. And I could go into the other room and have sex with a woman I met five months ago right now, and she wants me to get off the computer and do that, and I'm too fucking hung over for it.

[–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm only eight years older than you.

ONLY eight years? You make it sound like it's no big deal. You're almost 50 and come from Gen X, while I'll be 40 in three years and come from the shitty-ass Millennials generation. It's a huge gap.

I can tell you exactly when social media started fucking everything up: 2009. Why? Cause that's when social media became mainstream. Sure, Facebook and MySpace existed before that, but Facebook only really became a thing nationally in 2008. 2009 is basically when social media, as we know it, started to exist. I also remember this because the first girl I ever started "dating" was in 2009 and we would constantly talk shit about Jersey Shore, which was also a thing at the time. I met her on Match.com, but I later learned she was a dyke ("bisexual," is what she called herself) and I felt heartbroken and betrayed I was being conned by a lesbian, and it fucked me up for a while. Unlike some disgusting men lacking self-respect, I'd never want to have anything to do with a woman who can only have genuine romantic/sexual feelings for other women. Lesbians/gay people, are a giant turn-off for me, as are transpeople. I didn't want to date for a while after that, but eventually met other girls after Ellen.

But at a certain period, they all just stopped. Dating became impossible for me. And I was actually in much better shape and had more money at this time, than I was in 2009. So I can also tell you exactly when dating became a shitshow: 2015. Tinder, as we know it today, got REALLY big between 2014 to 2017, and peaked at 2015. And my last actual "girlfriend" (for as brief of a time that was) was in 2016.

So yes, using anecdotal evidence from my own life as a memory bookmark, I can tell you exactly when things went to shit and it was between 2009 to 2015, and social media is mostly to blame for ruining the attitudes of modern women. At that period, someone like you would've already been in your mid thirties and either too old for social media and dating apps, or in the turnaround period for men when they stop being broke-ass poor and have enough money to start looking appealing to 20-something year old women for the first time in their lives.

Eight years is a huge gap, bro.

Because I'm not finding that women insist on 6'2" millionaires with six pack abs.

Yeah, because you dated prior to social media and dating apps and women didn't HAVE that choice, back then. If you were ten years younger, those same women you talked about, probably wouldn't have been with you cause they would've thought they could "do better" on Tinder. This experience is more common than not with modern women, 18 to 35. And as I said, I have literally nothing going for me in looks. I'm 71 inches short, and chubby, and only like a 6 in the face (which is still ugly by women's standards; it has no value.) I don't drink or smoke at all. I think my personality being intelligent, charming, and funny is pretty sharp and appealing, but in looks, I am ugly. Like "90s Ice Cube" or "Kayne West" ugly.

I mean, it's not like I can usually just walk into a bar and take a girl home (though that has happened a couple times)

Yeah, and that stopped being a thing like, in the 2000s. Nowadays, that'll get you a so-called "rape" accusation and ruin your life, in the post-MeToo era. Not that I'm as skittish as some of those men; just saying it's a stronger possibility now than before 2015.

Maybe the legions of anti-racist white women are secretly extremely racist? Maybe brown girls only want white men?

You're joking, but that's more true than you think.

Geographic location. I don't know where you are.

I grew up in Philadelphia and currently in southeast Asia where I teach ESL. The women are no different except Philly chicks are universally ugly beyond all belief (not that that was much of a deterrent in a city where everyone is ugly; just saying, that's the only real difference.) Philadelphia is also extremely left-leaning as well, and has a high number of queer women (seriously; like one in three women are queer. I got so fucking sick of running into bisexual females; shit was so fucking annoying to come across someone you like just to find out two weeks later they're a lesbian.) Maybe it's uptight for hetero dating, compared to a place like Nevada/Vegas. Philadelphia is a lesbian's paradise, that's for sure. Probably great for gay men, too.

Nevada is pretty loose about sex, Las Vegas being the sex-worker capital of the world and all, so you likely did have an usually high number of slutty-women-to-normal-women ratio.

Ideology/personality stuff.

Nah. I wasn't born this way. I actually used to be a hopeless romantic. Not a simp; I was never that stupid or rich. But I used to want to get married, provide my wife with everything, adopt kids, all that "husband" shit. Like with most men into it, women turned me to the red-pill. I actually turned to it relatively late, at age 30. I had wasted MY ENTIRE twenties and had severe depression trying to better myself to impress shitty, awful women who would've divorced me after a couple years HAD I been tall enough, good looking enough, white, handsome enough, etc, anyway. It was a wake-up call. I stopped living my life for women and started living it for myself. MOST MEN, still aren't even at that stage, though. Still a slave for modern shitty women, corporations, politician assholes, and the like. And people think you're "an incel" because you want to stop being a slave to people who treat you like shit.

I didn't mention this, but all of my male friends are basically Chad tier. My best friend in the US is basically a working-class Henry Cavill. He looks just like him, except he's 6'4" with a brown beard, and a handyman. So he's Paul Bunyan Henry Cavill. Motherfucker earns nearly six figures now, like that recent South Park special joked about. He got married a year after I left the US, so in 2020. He's now kinda envious of me NOT being married. All of my male friends are over six feet tall and in good shape, thus all of them found women easily, and all of them basically regret getting married and claim their wives nag them every day. I barely even talk to most of them anymore, cause of the married life. And ironically, I was always the most romantic, the most respectable, and the most dedicated to wanting marriage with a woman. The old me, at least. I was also the only one of my male friends to have never in my life cheated on anyone, or thought about it. So no, I wasn't always into the red-pill. I just never ended up tall enough or wealthy enough, to get divorce-raped by a shitty woman, which would've led me down the same route anyway, but in a much worse mental state.

My whole point is, personality means jack-shit with most women. Literally all you need to have is high ego. Granted, I've never been Mr. Hot Shit, but I had enough self-worth in myself to where that wouldn't have been an issue. Hell, MOST men who actually are incels, also tend to like themselves and had some level of confidence before women sucked it out of them. Whether you can blame the women, or the men for "letting them" do that, is a discussion for another day.

All I can say for sure is: short ugly guys can get laid.

Never said they couldn't. I said short ugly guys WHO AREN'T WEALTHY/RICH, can't get laid. That's the thing you forgot, cause I'm well aware Jeff Bezos is only 5'7". And given your age and success, I have to assume you have a good deal of money, as well. And yes, I know; most rich dudes never admit to being rich. My 6'4" handyman friend earns $92,000 a year and still thinks he's fucking working-class/middle-class. A woman I knew, who was a corporate lawyer, earned $240,000 a year basically, and still was under the delusion she "wasn't rich" simply cause she wasn't a multimillionaire. Even millionaires think they aren't rich cause they don't have "Bezos/Musk money."

My hypothesis is: Either Nevada is an incel's paradise, or you have enough money to offset being under six feet tall and out-of-shape. So which one is it? Cause as I said, personality is 100% irrelevant to women, other than one thinking they're hot shit.

Also, just to point it out, it's like 4am where I am and I just recently woke up from a nap, so I have all the time in the world to type this much shit out.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Have you gotten any girls that aren't fat

[–]Hematomato 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh yeah. None without problems, though. Let's see, my first ten were: 1) single mom who ran out on her kid; 2) dumped me immediately; 3) bulimic alcoholic; 4) vaginismus and abandonment issues; 5) white trash; 6) dumped me immediately; 7) piece of shit who I dumped immediately; 8) trashy older co-worker; 9) fat; 10) we were cheating on her husband and she moved away with him.