Would Ron Paul have been a successful President?

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To my knowledge, Ron Paul has only been the 2nd anti-Israel presidential candidate in the Republican party since 2000. I admire him for that.

I don't think Ron Paul ever had a chance to win because Republican voters love Israel over than liberty. Even if he did win, how would his bills get passed? Most Republicans and Democrats in Congress don't agree with Ron Paul.

Also, I feel like libertarianism requires everyone to be high-IQ. I don't think it would work in America with a high population of low-IQ people. If Ron Paul actually ended War on Drugs, I feel like drug use would increase and cause more problems in society.

What do others think?

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[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

it'd just be good if he could veto a lot of bad bills. If congress did nothing and just kept the status quo it'd be better than constant woke shit and sellouts to cronys.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The elite is one big club- and you ain't in it.

Support whoever you wish, man, but if you think any single one of them gives a F about you, I have a bridge to sell.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah really it's pointless to discuss politics because nothing any of us care about matters. Even if there is a good politician that cares about us and refuses to accept bribes he'll get killed. Even politics in your small town is rigged. But we still feel an urge to think about and discuss these topics, it's part of being human.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nah I don't think it's pointless. Like, being open to new ideas and at least be exposed to them helps us understand the other's point of view. It's when we get all high and mighty or get our egos involved that things get nasty.

I had a lifetime of reflection on, well, a lifetime. I was hard core AFA (what you call ANTIFA nowadays for some reason) when I was young. Thirty years later and I have one of the founding members of the NR (National Resistance, pure bred 100% Nazis) as my best friend. I am ethnically slavic (Ukrainian actually), and we are the best of buds...

I learn from him, he learns from me. Everybody wins. :)

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

true there are other points too it so not pointless. But if we're waiting for the world to be changed for the better we better not hold our breaths. Yeah I think it's better to learn from people rather than fighting.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh don't get me wrong, I fight every day and every night and have fought my whole life to improve society. I'm sure I made some positive impact, but in the end, there's no winning against baseless money and greed.

Still though, rather die on my feet than slave on my knees, knowimsayin'?

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I don't think it would work in America with a high population of low-IQ people.

This.

Can you name one country that doesn't have a majority of low-IQ people? A country resulting from genocide based on IQ would be paradise, but that's just not going to happen. The closest thing to do that is moving to a very HCOL area or gated communities.

Ron Paul is also not exactly popular even among libertarians, so he wouldn't stand a chance anyway. I don't recall which political blunders he made. but during COVID he sure said some stupid things.

I think drug use correlates with the amount of problems people have. If you want to end drug use, you would need to solve all those problems. I am not even sure whether there is a goal to solve the War on Drugs, because it's profitable even to look down on people, because people suck deep down (and at the surface).

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Nah man, exterminating all the idiots would just leave us with more intelligent idiots. Know what I mean?

As for drug use, please. I wouldn't be able to force myself listing all of the extremely successful drug addicts for you, but, hehe, "literally Hitler", for one that I know that you might have an affinity for hehehehe. I'm allowed to say it, my best friend is a Nazi.

<3

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Hitler had pain from an injury in WWI. He was always in a bad mood and an asshole due to it. His pain meds helped him if anything. I think JFK was in the same boat. That made JFK have a give no fucks attitude, he didn't care if he died which meant he couldn't be bought or blackmailed. So they did have to kill him as a last resort in a messy operation. Same with Hitler, he betrayed the wall st financiers that financed his rise. Chronic pain sucks.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Yeah yeah yeah, we all have our excuses. Try to push that line in court:

"So I had this pain, right, and I started taking these medications, right, and I started a party to get my spirits up, and well, the craziest thing happened..." / Third Reich Man

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I guess it is an excuse, or one no one cares about anyway. Or at least it's not talked about much but people don't understand until they get chronic pain in their life. I think it's a big reason boomers become assholes, just the aches and pains of getting older. People talk about trump's bone spurs keeping him out of Vietnam, but I think that was legit, they are very painful. I'm sure he's on meds to help deal with it and it might also explain his give no fucks attitude.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

But I mean, the whole pain killer/fentanyl epidemic happened because the medical industry complex (hehe) overprescribed them. You said that drug addicts are vile, yet- and I jokingly say this but I don't think I'm necessarily wrong- a person you may consider a cool dude and all, Hitler, is one example, and the vast number of addicts on our streets today were too, just like him.

Almost everyone I know who got stuck in that shit, and trust me when I say it's more than a few, including two who are in heaven/hell right now (one of them might still be in limbo from God's and Satan's bureaucratic battle to dump them on each other's domain, fruitlessly)(tbh he probably owed both of them money and allegiance if I know anything about Johnny)...

But yeah, they got there because of chronic pain after surgery or whatever, and it spiralled from there. These are powerful drugs, my man, it doesn't take a lot to get someone hooked, and who do you think profits from facilitating that?

All I'm saying, good people get stuck too, and it sucks. Meanwhile, here I am smoking weed every day for the past thirty years and while I may sure AF be stupider for that (and the IV drip of beer I have stuck permanently into the base of my skull like fucking Neo in Matrix), my life is very productive, I am successful, and shit's generally good. I love life.

You never did drugs ever?

[–]William_World 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

funny you mention opiates. That crisis is mostly made up. A lot of people need opiates for legit pain relief but now are denied them. Why? They have health insurance but can't get care, why is that? Just cuz insurance companies want to make money but not spend any. Those opiate pills cost money to make. Who is putting fentanyl in everything? Does it make sense to a drug dealer to kill his addicted customer, then you don't make any more money going forward.

Hitler gets made fun of a lot for being addicted to drugs but most boomers are on some sort of medication. It's pretty normal.

The people you know who died, was it fentanyl? What was it that caused them to want to take opiates in the first place, if that's what happened?

I've dealt with bad pain before, that's why I know about this issue. I got denied pain meds. Luckily for myself it got better, not as bad. I smoke weed, I don't consider that bad, no one has ever died from that. well smoke of any kind in your lungs can't be great for you but out of all the bad things we put in our bodies it's low on the list.

[–]xoma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Btw,

think drug use correlates with the amount of problems people have. If you want to end drug use, you would need to solve all those problems.

100% agreed.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Man, the crisis is extremely well documented, by statistics, news reports, court trials- the Sackler family literally got hit with a MASSIVE lawsuit that they lost, because they peddled this shit onto the American nation (and by association- the rest of the world).

Come on, you don't believe that tens of millions of people went out one day and thought "hey, I wonder if there's any new drugs I can get addicted to", and died from fentanyl overdose?

Like I said in my previous answer, they both got addicted after fairly minor surgeries. Johnny loved to fight and he punched through an armored window (!)(not even joking man) and had to stitch basically his whole arm. I was there, that idiot had it coming, but damn it I loved the bastard so much regardless... We all did.

But yeah. See, you say "Hitler gets made fun of, like most people on medication". What I kind of wanted to point out is that you said that druggies are all bad and the scum of the earth. I don't see it that way. When you see a drug addict (I bet you don't count Wallstreet "American Psycho" style coke heads to that category hahahah!), I see a dude that was hopelessly lost in the war for his money.

Some of them were products of addict parents, or just shitty parents, like ok I get that, it could have easily been me, and it nearly was. Maybe I was stronger than they, maybe I didn't get fucked up on the stuff they did, but I WAS homeless for three years, I know what it means to just "find yourself in a position you never thought you'd be in".. And that taught me a LOT about humility and compassion. One of the most valuable lessons I ever learned in life, and I'm 45 yo so I know a little bit about a little bit.

Sorry for the rambling answer, it's just refreshing to me being able to have a conversation with people online who disagree, and not seeing either of us banned for it.

So shoot!

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah it's mostly fake. Don't always trust the MSM. A few people die but that's what happens when you take too many pills. Tens of millions? Exaggeration.

Sucks they got pain from minor surgeries but pain medication is needed then. Did Johnnny die from a broken hand?

I didn't say druggies are all bad and scum of the earth maybe someone else did.

Sounds like you have had it rough but you're strong, still here anyway.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

He would have died if he hadn't immediately gotten treatment, yeah, no doubt. I've got pictures if you want to see it! ahahaha the bastard... I miss him so much dude, he was one of my closest friends.

Dude, we all had it rough, you and I come from different parts of the planet and have gone through a bunch of shit on our own. It's like this for everyone you know, you make the best of it and you fight on, until you can't anymore, or someone comes along and takes it from ya, know what I mean?

I think you're wrong about the MSM, but I am not here to fight, in fact I am so happy to be able to speak my mind and be able to hear the other side without you guys being shoved into a corner and gagged, 100% wrong as you may be :) :)

Peace bro.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah man, exterminating all the idiots would just leave us with more intelligent idiots. Know what I mean?

There would probably be as many people left as in The Garden of Eden. Yes, unfortunately, I know.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I honestly can't see how he could POSSIBLY have been any worse than what came after him. I don't even agree with him on a lot, but he always seemed to me to have genuine and good intentions, like a smart educated man, who had a good sense of the world, and really just wanted to improve it for everyone.

I can get behind that.

What's up with the obviously racist genocidal right wing Christian population of the USA being in favor of Israel anyway? I just don't get it. I'm just a scandfag, but maybe someone could enlighten me. It seems backwards as all hell.

<3

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

christians think jesus will come back when the temple in jerusalem is rebuilt. For years the satanic muslims had countrol of it and even built a blasphemous golden minaret on the temple ruins. The evangelical christians also think the pope is the antichrist. They see a lot of signs of Jesus's return in things like the jews taking over Jerusalem and the weird moves the pope makes. They think the jews will rebuild the temple and admit Jesus is his savior when he returns then.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That... Sounds... Super reasonable. Can't believe I didn't figure that one out on my own.

So, the Jews built the temple. Then the Romans came and trashed it, and genocided the jews as best they could, and after that the Muslims came, and then the Christians came and they lost three times in a row, and now it's all half Jewish half Muslim half Christian. I think that's a fair division, but that's just me. Also one of those groups eat a bigger piece of the other two's cake, but again, just me.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

There's a lot of history in that temple. You can tell the freemasons consider it important. Jesus's main gripe was the romans and their sellout jewish priests were disrespecting the temple. He had tried to kick them out of the temple and was killed for it. But his brother James led his movement after his death and eventually became high priest of Jerusalem. He was killed and that's what led his followers to finally kick the Romans out of Jerusalem in 66AD. Because of logistics and problems elsewhere it took four years for the Romans to return with reinforcements and they completely razed Jerusalem to the ground. But for 4 glorious years the jews were in charge of Jerusalem and their temple. They took charge of Israel again finally in 1948 but they still have those pesky muslims in charge of the temple.

One may suspect they don't remove the minaret and rebuild the temple because they're worried muslims will be mad and attack with terrorist attacks. But they do that already. I think it's because if they rebuild the temple, and Jesus doesn't come back, it will disappoint evangelical christians, who are major allies. And the support of israel will go away.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Jesus's main gripe was the romans and their sellout jewish priests were disrespecting the temple.

The Pharisees were there about 600 years before the Romans came along. Also, Jesus, famously was a Jew. He had an issue with the ruling elite and their money making schemes that robbed poor people to enrich themselves. Sound familiar?

Romans didn't "take over" Judaea, much like in the later literature of Machiavelli's "The Prince", Pompey/Caesar/Augustus et al, ruled by letting the people run things just like before (to a point)- as long as they were subject to pay taxes and show full obedience towards Caesar.

Hence Pontius Pilate's "This is Herod's case, not mine!"- he CYA and kicked it over to his subordinate...

I had more to say but I had to run to the store before they closed and buy another six pack of argument-juice, and now I lost my train of thought.. :)

The Romans ruled Judea until the end of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 AD. After he crushed the revolt, Hadrian changed the name of the province from Iudaea to Syria Palaestina, hence the modern names, which stuck for almost 2000 years as it was continuously inhabited by Syrians and Palestinians. That is all.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

There were 4 different jewish sects they were just one. There were a lot of disagreements. I know people don't like jews now but can you blame jews like Jesus or many other messiah claimants of the time for wanting an invading force out of their country, and the jews that sold out to them as well?

Romans did take over Judea. And just letting a people run things themselves is not true if also requiring taxes from them. USA rebelled over that same issue.

A lot of things in the bible don't make sense so we can tell they were made up by romans years after the fact. Is it a huge coincidence that to this day Catholicism, the major christian sect, is run out of rome?

Whoever rightfully deserves to own or live in that land doesn't matter, nor does the name of it, it's the symbolism that matters and the power it holds over believers.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

esus or many other messiah claimants of the time for wanting an invading force out of their country, and the jews that sold out to them as well?

Hell naw, who wouldn't? But Jesus didn't mind the Romans as much as he minded their local henchmen- who were from the same land and origin as he. They were literally traitors and only cared for money. Much like the world is run today...

Romans did take over Judea. And just letting a people run things themselves is not true if also requiring taxes from them. USA rebelled over that same issue.

Yes they conquered it, and slaughtered people in droves, and burned down the temple and made off with its riches, much like... Uh... You know... Your country did more than a few times all over the planet over the past hundred years... Just sayin'. There is a flip side to everything, every opinion, every thought...

A lot of things in the bible don't make sense

A lot of them did though. I'm a self proclaimed hobbyist ancient culture scholar (I am writing a book on the origins of civilization and nearing completion- I can't for the life of me find a good title though, so if you have any suggestions lol....) and a lot of what is in the Bible can be directly traced to earlier origins. Like, much, MUCH earlier origins. It is actually absolutely fascinating, I'll link some videos and lectures if you want? Aaaanyhooo-

Whoever rightfully deserves to own or live in that land doesn't matter, nor does the name of it, it's the symbolism that matters and the power it holds over believers.

Good point.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Jesus did mind the romans though that is the point. Why would he only want henchmen out but not the overall rulers. Yeah Romans took over his land just like they did in the rest of their vast empire. The jews were harder to keep control over than most and kept attempting revolts. The roman empire being so vast and hard to keep control over led to their downfall. It's like why it took them four years to send reinforcements in 66 AD, because they had so many other fires to put out elsewhere. The jewish religion spread and became christianity because Jesus became legendary for his revolt against Rome which his followers succeeded on. So Rome incorporated the religion and controlled it themselves. They had no choice.

You can figure out what was false or true in the bible a few ways, one being criteria of embarrassment. Why would christians make up a religion based on someone that died, it makes them look pretty weak, why wouldn't the messiah just use his divine power to oust the romans, why would he let himself die on a cross? So that was probably true. There's a part of the bible where Jesus says to pay your taxes to Caesar, that makes no sense so is probably false, later Romans added that because, well, they wanted people to pay their taxes.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Of course he did, but remember, he never said a word against the Romans- even when P. Pilate accused him of it. "Your words, not mine".

He stormed into the Temple and kicked the peddlers out, because they were allowed in there by the Pharisees, they were the ones who corrupted it, not Rome.

Jesus was about the Heavenly Kingdom, he could care less about who governs what, as long as it is in alignment with God- "Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and unto God what belongs to Him".

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There's another way of looking at it. Of course we're just going by words said in the bible, but say it's all true. What Pontius asked of Jesus was if he was King of the Jews. Jesus didn't say yes or no, he just "if you say so". How does that make sense? Pontius didn't say so, he just asked. There's probably a mistranslation at best or maybe that was made up. But we do know that after this Pontius, with the jewish priests support, had Jesus tortured and killed. Also keep in mind Jesus was killed along with two others, called bandits. Translated from the original greek bandit meant revolutionary. They were probably fellows of Jesus who were also trying to revolt against Rome. Crucification was meant for the worst offense, revolting against Roman rule, it wouldn't be done to petty robbers. Spartacus was another who was crucified.

Jesus said he was the Son of Man, what does that mean? Jesus said "“Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." That means heaven on earth. To jews that meant retaking the temple, ousting Romans and Pharisees. In 66 AD they achieved heaven on earth for four glorious years. Jesus's prophecy was upheld which explains why his movement became so popular.

It likely would have stayed judaism instead of splitting up into christianity but there was an argument between James and Paul about circumcision, and it makes sense too that a religion where you don't have to cut your penis would be more popular than one where you did.

[–]xoma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

As for your other points, I mean, yeah, obviously the Bible is a propaganda tool or was corrupted into one by people who thought THEY should be worshipped instead of God.

The roman empire being so vast and hard to keep control over led to their downfall. It's like why it took them four years to send reinforcements in 66 AD,

I don't know man, these things take time even in modern days. It took almost two and a half years between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, right? But I agree- once a society becomes too large, and too complex, you never know when that one critical piece of the machinery fails, and the whole thing just crashes into a wall...

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's true yes it just takes time, cuz of logistics. USA has it's empire and has it's issues keeping control of it. Now with 9/11 Iraq had nothing to do with it, but they had plans written up before hand to invade Iraq, I think they just had to wait or it'd be too obvious. And those two years were spent making up WMD claims and paying off world leaders to go along with it.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ron Paul would have been a DEAD president. Maybe better than JFK, so yeah. DEAD.

[–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

After seeing what the Deep State did to Trump, they would've done the same to Ron Paul.