Why can't we accept that mental illnesses are a natural reaction of the human body to the hell that is modern life?

submitted by yabbit from (self.AskSaidIt)

Being screamed at by your boss in unfulfilling stressful jobs for 90 percent of your adult life in a polluted urban jungle run by sociopathic elites whose only interest in your well being is your productive capacity after years of bullying and ostracization in a useless education system causes psychosis? Who'd a thunk? Not wanting that life must mean you're crazy here's some tranquilizers and sedatives so you don't think too much slav- I mean citizen.

Give me a break. Vonnegut was right, "A sane person to an insane society must appear insane".

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[–]jet199 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

They are a reaction to the ease of modern life.

If you want a cure, get out of the house and challenge yourself.

[–]yabbit[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

no

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

You are a whiney, spoilt brat with no hardship in your life and all your problems are of your own making.

But that's your choice I guess.

[–]yabbit[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I'm a currycel we invented the term hardship faggot

[–]suzew 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Sources that say Indians created the term 'hardship', please.

[–]yabbit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Look up any tinder experiment by race

[–]suzew 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Those are Indians in hardship... It doesn't say anything about Indians creating the term 'hardship'...

[–]yabbit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It was a metaphor

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look up population size. That didn't happen because Indians can't get none.

[–]yabbit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm in the west chad central

[–]grassfed 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Based

[–]yabbit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

wagies eternally BTFO

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hate factories, they destroy the body, all that wage cucking to make u/jet199 more rich 😡

[–]restlessincanada 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

we have been sold this idea that mental illness is something that people are born with, but the truth is that most cases of mental illness are the result of stress that people are not able to deal with. i always think of the lgbt community and the arguement that they cant make your kids gay, but normalizing that behaviour and demonizing those that reject it does exactly that. adding more stress and confusion to the already stressful and confusing process of growing up in the world today.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

that most cases of mental illness are the result of stress that people are not able to deal with.

That sounds plausible, but viruses are another cause. My brother and many others didn't exhibit OCD until they had multiple recurring strep infections. Covid appears to affect the brain too in some people, just their sense of smell, but regardless.

[–]restlessincanada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am reluctant even to recognise OCD and ADD as mental illness or disorders simply becuase of how often young people and young men going through growing pains are willfully misdiagnosed. Its my belief that the drugs used to treat these dissorders are the real cause of harm in most of these cases and that there is intent to do harm. now i have alot to say about covid but after two years i am not always able to find the energy to say it. there is also the subject of gender dysphoria which i do recognise as a mental illness or disorder but is also another case where the drugs being used to treat the illness or disorder are causing greater harm. there is alot to be said about all of this.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These things are certainly over-diagnosed, and I understand how in these times when every neat freak is diagnosed with OCD, you'd doubt it even exists, but my brother isn't a mild case. Meds and therapy didn't work, and I agree the meds probably did more harm than good. All the King's men and All the King's horses... We just can't fix broken minds.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Jiddu Krishnamurti: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

[–]Jackalope 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

"The concept of mental health in our society is defined largely by the extent to which an individual behaves in accord with the needs of the system and does so without showing signs of stress." - Ted Kaczynski

You might enjoy reading some of Uncle Ted's work, his 'Industrial Society And Its Future' sounds right up your alley.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/fc-industrial-society-and-its-future

[–]yabbit[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

I'd rather not end up on a watchlist but thanks

[–]Jackalope 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Understandable. He certainly did terrible things that I do not advocate, I understand why he is stigmatized.

I will say this though, Kaczynski had an IQ of 170 (I know how much you like to talk about IQ), and he was largely right about many things that are wrong with our society.

[–]yabbit[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He's almost as high iq as I am

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's the Internet; you can do anything you want anonymously. Install Tor Browser. (Or use Brave's Tor feature.)

[–]yabbit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

tor was literally invented by the government everything's trackable these days

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The project's funded by the US government, that's true, but that doesn't allow them to magically spy on you. It's still an open-source project and anyone can audit the code. And, in any case, using it doesn't hurt your privacy in any way compared to using Firefox / Chromium. At worst, it can give you a false sense of security. They sure are going through a lot of effort just to give people a false sense of security.

It's comparable to the mission to bury radio receivers in the ground near the border with North Korea: they want to destabilize Asian nations by empowering the citizens with free information. That's the only spook element there is; that's why the government funds it. Meanwhile, we get to benefit from the privacy that it gives us. Tor anonymity isn't water-tight, but it does, by and large, protect you from mass data gathering.

[–]CleverFoolOfEarth 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Some of it is, but other ones, like Bipolar Disorder, cause manic spells that make you think you see Jesus and can fight cars. Those ones are real, I don't think that type of crazy is caused by too much modernity, we have records of stuff like it dating back long before the industrial age.

[–]yabbit[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

most bpd is because of trauma it doesn't exist in hunter gatherer societies

[–]BootsAndBeards 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

...Do you think hunter gatherer societies didn't have trauma or something? Societies where most women bury half of their own children?

[–]Jackalope 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They certainly had trauma, and often difficult lives, but is true that even modern hunter-gatherer societies do not suffer from mental illnesses at anything near the rate of industrialized people. Many anthropologists have repeatedly documented this phenomenon.

That being said, I am not advocating for primitivism, but modern life can be incompatible with many psychological needs we have developed over the hundreds of thousands of years of evolution while living in primitive societies

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Again, it's not because modern life doesn't fit with us or is difficult, it's because it's too easy.

If you live a precarious existence you simply don't have the option of being crazy, lethargic or breaking down. That would get you killed.

The same difference in the rates of mental illness exists between the rich and poor within the west. If the issue was the state of society then the poor would have the worst of it but they actually have better mental health than the wealthy.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's inherited in 55% of cases

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Lol, bipolar, is exactly the kind of thing which is made up by the worried well and badly behaved people to justify their actions. The US has 10 times the diagnoses of bipolar, than any other country. Every slightly off keel personality type, or just bad habits, are medicalised in America rather than people taking responsibility and dealing with their shit.

Yeah, in the past people had bipolar, it was due to a potassium deficiency/excess in the brain which is why it was cured with lithium. That's not at all the same as what is being diagnosed now, which is basically normal mood swings which arseholes decide to project on everyone around them rather than control.

[–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm going to have to agree with you on this. I have one relative who has "bpd" and she turns it off and on like a light switch as justification for her asshole tendencies.

Me and the Mrs. see it but her immediate family have bought it hook, line and sinker.

When a lame family event is happening her bpd is "on" and she stays in her room. We are told the stress of all the people make her anxious and she will just be a a bad mood. But an hour in and we hear her laughing her ass off talking with her friends on the phone in her room. Okay... it's bpd right?

Next weekend her friends having her rehearsal dinner for her wedding, 50+ people and this asshole is fine, chatting up everyone and giving speeches.... SUCH BULLSHIT. She totally uses it to ditch shit she doesn't want to do and her family totally goes along for the ride.

[–]CleverFoolOfEarth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That makes sense.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is a very good insight.

[–]WalkingIn2Madness 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]suzew 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The cause of mental illness is tricky.
It can either come from the drudgery of modern life, or the ease of modern life, or somewhere else.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Speak for yourself some of us already get it

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe these really are illnesses. They are traits or quirks, labeled "illnesses". To divide, seperate and ostracize affected people.

The reason they are diagnosed more often in this millenium is that the "mean" stress level is on the rise.