Intellectual denial of service attacks

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[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The Y’s may start off by responding politely to each challenger, but they will run out of energy at some point. They’ll say “I’m done talking about X,” or merely shut down and stop responding. Tired of treading over the same ground repeatedly, they simply give up in exhaustion.

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The 9/11 truth movement was supressed in a similar way.
Everyday people presented irrefutable evidence that explicitly refutes the central argument of the official myth.

Authority figures in the media, indusrty and the government denied the facts, or misrepresented them.

Debunking videos and articles were mass produced to marginalize the "Truther" community.
Media outlets and YouTube were flooded with false and misleading information that was designed to mislead anyone who attempted to investigating the factual truth about 9/11.

The brainwashing was so pervasive that most could not accept the possibility that the official narrative was a lie.

The lie was too big. Most couldn't conceive of the implications of what exposing lie actually meant. The truth was literally inconceivable.

The criminals continue to get away with their crimes, and the public remains ignorant of the facts.

Could similarly pervasive lies currently exist???

Surely, 9/11 isn't the only cleverly concealed public myth.

It would be interesting to compare similarities between 9/11 truth, and other grassroots "conspiracy theories" in the public sphere.

Could other lies exist, that are similarly accepted as "truths"? If so, what could they be???

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The most obvious ones are right in front of us every day... "America is the best country in the world" and "America needs to invade x and overthrow their government for humanitarian reasons" and so on. "Money is good". "Buying things makes you happy, so work to earn those dollars". Lies that serve those in power. I don't think it's nearly as rare or obscure as you're making it out to be, in general

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The examples you cited don't really fit the 9/11 truth category because:.

  • Their info isn't financially supressed by any specific group(s).
  • Discussion of the subject is not taboo.
  • They don't have paid debunkers.
  • They aren't grass roots organized.
  • Backed by specific moneyed interests
  • The supressors don't have government endorsement/support.

There are a handful of others, but they likely won't occur to most people; because they assume that the lie is the truth.

Plenty of engineers deny 9/11 truth.

Engineers are unique, in that engineering is the only profession that doesn't require a undergrad degree prior to professional education. Professional Engineers don't need grad school.

Yet, many deny irrefutable video evidence.

Science is never "settled".
Science is never "incontrovertible".

Science should always be questioned.

Edit: has everyone seen the "crisis of science" video by James Corbett? That's a useful source to identify potential issues.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough, good points.

[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I try to separate X and Y by encouraging each party to fully develop their own theory to high standards.
What standards are you dropping when you want to support X or Y. Or what distrust do you place in what people.

What I found is that the standards for astronomy are declining as they need more and more dark stuff in their theories. So this breaks the standard of "not adding invisible stuff" to your model.

But it is worse. While I was investigating the sun, I found that the astronomers had invented their own physics. Physics that breaks with the physics that we already know and that we can confirm in experiments. Because I was educated in an other area, I did never see this problem before. This breaks with the standard of: "must be in line with basic known physics".

This all shows that specialists can create their own false realities. Even when they are very good at their job. Just like astrologers can be very good in astrology and can confirm that it works for everyone. It does still not mean that astrology is actually working.

On www.reddit.com/r/plasmacosmology/wiki I placed all the things that I found in astronomy that can be replaced with simpler explanations. Simpler explanations that can also be confirmed with experiments.

But due to the specialist-bias and expert-bias, it is hard to get these ideas into minds of the people that get paid to work in this area.