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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Do I need to type out some of this fucking video? Ugh, fine

    [–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    AI does a decent job at that, at least for the first ten minutes.

    summarize.tech

    Summary of Jordan Peterson’s Opinion On The Incel Movement

    This is an AI generated summary. There may be inaccuracies.

    00:00:00

    In this section, Jordan Peterson discusses his opinion on the incel and black pill movements based on internet history. He traces the origin of these ideologies back to a subreddit or website called PUA hate, which was a group of men who had undergone the teaching of pickup artistry. Peterson highlights the negative impact of this teaching on men's perception of themselves and women, leading to a jaded and cynical outlook on life. He argues that there are many other ways for men to become charming and successful with women, and it is important for them to learn this skill in a genuine way.

    00:05:00

    In this section of the YouTube video, Jordan Peterson discusses the Incel movement and Tate, a viral video star who has attracted a large and controversial following. Peterson sees Tate's actions as crossing into the realm of the psychopathic, but notes that there may be some value in his approach to life. Peterson highlights the importance of intellectual humility and the willingness to ask stupid questions, as well as the potential benefits of facing criticism and learning from attacks. Peterson uses Christ's interactions with the Pharisees, a Jewish sect in the gospels, as a metaphor for the importance of facing opponents and remaining open to criticism.

    00:10:00

    In this section of the transcript, Jordan Peterson discusses the game that journalists play to boost their own careers. According to Peterson, this game involves trying to damage someone else's reputation in order to elevate one's own. He explains that this tactic is common in the Journalism industry and it requires extreme caution. The successful interviews, he believes, are those that are hostile, with smart and educated journalists, all of which can be seen in the interview with Kathy Newman, Kathy Griffin, and Kathy Griffith. He then diverged into a commercial break for "Element," a morning drink that helps in hydration, appetite regulation, and brain health, and offers a chocolate-caramel flavor.

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      [–]Mcheetah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Jordan Peterson is far from a genius or right about everything. He's a successful and wealthy man who's been married for a long time and has daughters, and was even relatively wealthy and successful even before the left tried to cancel him in 2015 and blew him up to fame. Incels are the logical conclusion to a bigger problem. As a comment said on that video, it'd be like calling something "The Homeless Movement." Or the "Mental Illness Movement."

      And although I'm not an incel, I REALLY do hate the idea of kicking someone when they're down and shitting on someone who's basically a victim, cause that's what this shit is and it can only happen to men. I also hate the idea of government and the legal system punishing people who're legitimately mentally ill and treating them maliciously as if they're just assholes and felons, instead of getting them the proper treatment. Only the mentally ill recently started being treated with some sympathy, while incels are still treated by shit by and large by the people who created them in the first place. That's why I don't feel bad for certain "victims" when you create an active shooter out of the unattractive male you spent years bullying and abusing. There's only so much you can abuse a dog before it bites back.

      Now actual incels DO have a fatal flaw and it's the reason they're the way they are: the inability to take responsibility for themselves. While this is a nuanced issue and society does by-and-large treat the 90% men outside of the elites - the non-Chads and non-Tyrones - like complete dogshit, incels fail to self-improve. Or just stop wasting their time with awful women who mistreat them and abuse them. I myself, would fit the typical non-Chad being short as shit, ugly as sin, non-white, and non-rich. However, I accept I do not fit any women's standards due to my lack of height, lack of looks, lack of wealth, lack of abs, etc, and that I am the "problem" if you accept it as such. Incels, just like feminists, tend to blame everyone but themselves. And that is why they are incels instead of just becoming MGTOW or red-pilled in some other way.

      And of course, most modern women have ZERO empathy towards incels, because these men do not provide these women with resources. And we all know people who can't personally help women, mean nothing to these women out there. I don't expect female nature to change. But the best people who can help incels are those who understand them and can help them adapt beyond their biological urges to breed and have children. Cause that's ultimately what's causing them harm. Give an incel a weekly hooker and some physical training and discipline to become a stronger man and he'll likely be cured.

      But of course, we don't live in a society that wants to help men. Hell, this society barely even wants to help women who aren't sex workers, lying feminists, or other trash. It's all "Divide and Conquer" and most people are too selfish to see past this and help each other. So we get women shitting on incels and beating a dead horse, and it all just gets worse for everyone.

      Too long, didn't read: Incels became incels for a reason, and it's not just "misogyny."

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's all "Divide and Conquer" and most people are too selfish to see past this and help each other.

      I agree.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      I have tried to talk to incels and been met with pure hostility and abject hatred. I do not think it is fair to compare them with the homeless or other mentally ill, they are basically a hate group.

      [–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      And that's exactly why you don't get it. You don't bother trying to understand them and then get mad at them for not accepting your charity. At best, you probably gave them some empty advice that doesn't actually benefit them, like "become confident" or "do whatever women tell you to" and when they said that's not how it works, dismissed them. Regardless, it's not your job to make yourself feel good by "helping them" as it's a larger issue with society as a whole. Even the men who try to help them and understand exactly what female nature is or how much modern society hates men, can only do so much. Some may be saved, but others are too far gone.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      No, I don't do the empty advice thing. At least I would hope not.

      I don't really agree with your whole world view. But despite some acrimonious comments I've made on this website, I actually hate arguing with people. Maybe someday in the future we could have a civil discussion. Or not.

      [–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No, I don't do the empty advice thing. At least I would hope not.

      You just told me you dismissed them as a hate group and implied earlier that they were losers. That doesn't sound like anyone who genuinely wanted to help or empathize with someone. You clearly don't see them as victims who have been shit-on their whole lives, which is usually the case. Especially since childhood, usually with no father figures or male role models around. When the same thing happens to women, everyone flocks to them with love and support. But when young men get shit-on and verbally abused for an entire lifetime, they're dismissed as the childish term "incel" and told to go fuck themselves and die.

      As I said, I'm not even an incel, but I'm still an unwealthy, physically unattractive man all the same. So I actually get why they're so pissed off. But I can't fix a broken society and neither can any one individual.

      I don't really agree with your whole world view.

      No one's making you.