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[–]weavilsatemyface 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So the vaccines and boosters don't give immunity to this variant, or prevent illness, or prevent transmission. Sounds exactly the same as the other variants.

[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The Covid vaccines work to reduce the severity of disease with various degrees of success.

The point about this new strain is that the success of the vaccines and the effectiveness of naturally acquired partial immunity is reduced.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Covid vaccines work to reduce the severity of disease with various degrees of success.

We have literally no good evidence for this. The evidence we have is badly tainted and should be treated as, at best, possible but not proven.

  • The studies on the Covid vaccines were all performed by the companies with financial interest in them succeeding;
  • and then approved by regulators who have either been captured by the companies they are supposed to regulate;
  • or have direct and indirect financial incentives to approve the vaccines;
  • the Pfizer studies in particular have serious allegations of fraud and scientific misconduct raised against them by whistleblowers and others.

There are all sorts of statistical shenanigans that have been used to shift the numbers to make the vaccines seem more effective. One very common trick is to count any death, regardless of cause, as a Covid death if it occurs within two weeks of a positive Covid test.

In Israel, hospitals would test every patient for Covid if they were unvaccinated but only test the vaccinated if they were showing Covid-like symptoms. That boosts the number of reported "Covid deaths" among the unvaccinated, making the vaccinated cohort look better in comparison.

Another trick is counting deaths in the first two weeks after vaccination as "unvaccinated".

All of these tricks make the vaccines appear better at preventing serious disease than they really are, and over-inflate the number of unvaccinated Covid deaths, making the disease seem more dangerous than it really is.

Another factor, I presume due to panic rather than malice, is that many of the early Covid deaths were due to poor medical treatment contributing to the deaths, if not outright being the cause of the death:

  • Remdesivir has kidney failure as a known side-effect, was one of the only approved treatments for Covid in the early months. During that time, the media was full of reports of how Covid patients (being treated with Remdesivir) were dying of kidney failure, and the blame put on the virus.
  • Lung damage and other complications from early intubation (ventilators), including secondary bacterial pneumonia which (in contrast to the previous SARS outbreak) was often not treated with antibiotics.
  • Early in the pandemic, when patients where being routinely intubated, there were many cases of multi-organ failure due to a cytokine storm. Now that patients are only rarely intubated, and then much less aggressively, deaths from cytokine storm has all but disappeared. Guess which treatment can cause a deadly cytokine storm?

This made the early Covid strains seem much more deadly than they really were, and by extension made the vaccines seem better at reducing severe illness.

[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Quite honestly, I don't care if you die or not. I don't really care if the people who follow your advice die either. I think of it as Darwinism in action.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

people who follow your advice

What advice do you think I gave?

[–]passionflounderPaper tiger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wait for cues from CNN. You'll know when to not only be terrified, but also when to demand the ever compassionate and caring government do something before we all get mowed down like dry timber in an evil, evil firestorm.

Always remember that the safe and effective vaccine, which is safe and effective, is safe and effective.

[–]SMCABwhatever 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Get the latest booster by the 55 gallon drum, keep 2 insulin pumps loaded with the holy elixir going at all times, one into your cockhole, the other up your ass. You'll be fine.

If you do all this without a space helmet on at all times, you will die suddenly.

Good luck.

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    [–]transbob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The covid situation was invented as a distraction during election time.

    [–]Death_By_Democracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    There isn't much realistically you can do. You will get Covid at some point, and having had it, you will at some point get it again, and probably again after that.

    Covid is a given now, a bit like the common cold. It isn't going away and whatever you do, you will get it.

    The vaccine isn't going to change anything about the above, although it should at least reduce the severity of the disease.

    Most governments have made the assessment that it isn't worth going all out to protect us from Covid. Government sponsored lock downs are unlikely, free mass vaccination is unlikely and free testing kits are a thing of the past. Most governments aren't even bothering to monitor the spread of new variants - a side effect of the end of mass testing.

    You will get Covid. If not this one, maybe the next one, or the one after that.

    Your best chance, were you to get very ill, is to get ill away from the peak of infections because that's the time the medical services are at their most stretched. You can either try and get it early, before any peak gets going by finding ill people and hanging out around them, or do social distancing and all the infection control stuff you can handle to keep yourself safe and hope to get it later, after the peak has passed.

    I would suggest not worrying too much - unlike the early days, these later versions of Covid are not as dangerous. You will get Covid - that's a given. But it is very unlikely to kill you unless there are other factors in your health profile at play.

    You can help other people by doing as much as possible to prevent you spreading it around. Wearing a mask, washing your hands regularly etc.

    [–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The vaccine

    doesn't reduce severity of illness, or frequency of illness, or deaths, or transmission, or viral loads. This has been demonstrated. It doesn't work. There are no benefits on the net, only harms, and about 3% of the people who get the jab will end up really fucked-over by it.

    I got covid already, we all did. Happily, as a pureblood, I don't have to worry about any of the autoimmunity problems or antibody-enhanced disease problems jabbies get, even should I fall ill again from the same germ, as I probably will in a year or three.

    [–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The actual numbers disagree with you.

    [–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    k

    [–]RedItBurn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The best vaccines can be found at the bottom of cliffs, and can only be discovered by plunging downward at speeds exceeding 88mph.

    [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I wonder how long they had to cook it in their labs in order to get that result?

    [–]weavilsatemyface 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Doesn't need a lab to make new variants. Its a coronavirus, that's what they do: they evolve into new variants all the time. Especially when you have hundreds of millions or billions of people given "leaky" vaccines that don't provide full immunity right in the middle of a raging pandemic.

    [–]iamonlyoneman[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    ^ this guy fucks!