Slavery Has Returned to Africa. So what now, leftists? Oh, you want to rush in and liberate those Africans? Establish western values among the people? Hmm, I dunno. Sounds like something a filthy colonizer would do.
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[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (11 children)
Trust me, I am quite familiar with leftist thought. We all are. You can't exist without having it rammed down your throat in news, TV shows, movies, comic books, you name it. This is borne out by data. Citation: http://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/
If one side understands the other better, and by extension probably their arguments better too, and still holds their position...that speaks to the strength of their position.
When faced with questions such as "One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal" or "Justice is the most important requirement for a society," liberals assumed that conservatives would disagree.
http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/
Jonathan Haidt's experiments ask liberals and conservatives to fill out questionnaires about their values, then to predict how someone from the opposite tribe would fill out the questionnaire. He finds that conservatives are able to predict liberals' answers just fine and seem to have a pretty good understanding of their worldviews, but that liberals have no idea how conservatives think or what they value.
[–]Gracehoper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (10 children)
But why "predict" responses in your head, instead of talking to another human?
[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (9 children)
It's like asking a Lakers fan what ze thinks of the Lakers. You don't need to ask zir.
But in your case, I'll bite. How should we "fix" homophobia in black African nations? Interfere with our superior culture and educate them on the "correct" attitudes? Or let them wallow in homophobia? Pick one.
[–]Gracehoper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (8 children)
Countries don't lose sovereignty unless they commit genocide or territorial aggression.
How should we "fix" homophobia in black African nations? Interfere with our superior culture
Which culture are you referring to with "we/our"?
[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (7 children)
Western culture. Our culture. Whatever else could I mean?
Come now, let's have a proposed solution to this pressing problem.
[–]Gracehoper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (0 children)
Have you heard of diplomacy?
[–]Gracehoper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (5 children)
Ah, "Western" ;)
Historically, these sorts of "pan" cultural movements are rarely successful: pan-Arabism, pan-Africanism, pan-Westernism.
I don't see "Western culture" suddenly uniting in response to slavery or homophobia (not sure which you're talking about now). France and Germany and the UK and the US and Canada are always bickering among themselves.
[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (4 children)
So what are we to do about homophobia in Africa? Intervene? Or be isolationists who let people suffer for no reason. What's your solution?
[–]Gracehoper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (2 children)
Diplomacy
[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (1 child)
So, bullying then. What a gem you are. Whites lecturing blacks on correct moral behavior, after raiding their villages, putting them in chains, loading them into lethal slave ships and selling them into slavery. You're going to tell them what to do.
Hey racist: Take a long walk off a short pier - preferably while wearing a backpack of lead weights.
[–]Gracehoper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (0 children)
What do you mean by "intervene"? Economic/diplomatic/legal?
It seems the core of your moral agonising is whether the nature of the "intervention" takes away the "agency" of the other; it's not clear to me that diplomatic efforts do this.
I think we both agree that persecuted LGBT refugees have a right to asylum.
These articles might be of interest to you. They're about "Western" diplomatic efforts on behalf of gays: 1, 2
I found this article about what I think you're driving at: Western countries giving asylum to persecuted gay refugees.
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