Chris Hedges: NATO — Most Dangerous Military Alliance on Planet

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[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Which is why it should not exist. I hope my country, Ireland, never joins that insidious organisation. Thankfully there has to be a referendum in order for us to join. Our retarded, crybaby prime minister, who simps for America's Democratic Party, wants Ireland to join NATO. Hopefully most Irish people will vote no.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I am pro-nato but it makes sense to me that Ireland need never join. For a few reasons.

  1. Ireland provides trusted peacekeeper forces overseas, eg jadotville, because of its reputation for neutrality.

  2. Ireland has precisely one other nation to worry about invading, which is already a NATO member

  3. Ireland's airspace is already defended by the RAF. Why formalise what already works well informally.

On the other hand - nations hostile to Ireland's neighbours can and do use Ireland as a platform to attack uk/Europe. Ireland's strategic security is provided by the gardai, which has all sorts of funding and trust issues. Ireland does not want to engage in building a military, but it could really do with an Irish Mi5 or equivalent. Maybe there's space for engagement with NATO partners on that topic, but I agree Ireland has no need to formally join.

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[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Ireland does not need an MI5 equivalent. What we do need is to adopt a Swiss style military and train our population how to use guns.

[–]Site_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Totally not what I expected you to say.

Interesting - so you are in favour of a large militia-style land force in Ireland - but against who? What threat requires it, in 2022? Are the Brits at it again?

What defence would a militia give against the sort of things which are actually threatening Ireland - such as russians buzzing the airspace or doing maneuvers in fishing zones, or basing their spies from the huge embassy?

Eg

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/commercial-planes-forced-to-dodge-cloaked-russian-bombers-flying-in-irish-airspace-report

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alert-as-russian-bombers-buzz-irish-airspace-lbsztz5hn

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/30/irish-fishermen-russia-naval-exercises/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/russia-still-plans-to-extend-dublin-embassy-s-espionage-role-say-experts-1.4814532

https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-last-word-with-matt-cooper/40-mile-long-russian-convoy-nears-kyiv

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[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I want my country to be able to prepare for the worst case scenario without being America's bottom bitch.

[–]Site_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right but what sort of scenarios does a militia prepare Ireland for, that a navy or airforce or security service wouldn't ? I mean, you know the geography, a land force in Ireland is useful against precisely one antagonist, who is already America's special ally. So I don't get it really. Ireland has real threats which America doesn't guard it against, and a militia wouldn't do much to help that

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[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We want to make it as hard and as costly as possible for our adversaries. Duh.

[–]Site_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right but - are you deliberately dodging the question? - how does a militia make it hard, and for whom? What is the problem which a militia solves? I really really don't think you're talking about the Brits but it's possible you are. But because you refuse to explain its hard to tell

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