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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

I think no one really knows what Joe Rogan has taken for COVID. He'd say anything for his supporters and the ratings. I think he's potentially getting people to harm themselves, by promoting untested alternative chemicals like ivermectin. It's a lucrative business for him and others.

This might be the RS article ZeroHedge mentions: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-rogan-covid19-misinformation-ivermectin-spotify-podcast-1219976

Perhaps it's already updated, but I see that's a well-written article.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

When the industry denies and shames science, amateurs practice medicine and get dosing errors. Who could have imagined?

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Thanks - it's a very intresting website by someone who wants to show - in a manner that looks scientific (but excludes significant testing) - all of the alternatives to the COVID19 vaccine, including studies of vitamin C, vitamin D, melatonin &c.

First: this is obviously a well-funded project that aims to look as though it has reliable data, presented in a manner that looks scientific, but:

Second: it does not appropriately reference the studies, the doctors, the locations of the research, the specific tests, the scientific data (other than some initial numbers &c), and:

Third:

Who is @CovidAnalysis? We are PhD researchers, scientists, people who hope to make a contribution, even if it is only very minor. You can find our research in journals like Science and Nature. We have little interest in adding to our publication lists, being in the news, or being on TV (we have done all of these things before but feel there are more important things in life now).

So these people want to remain anonymous? We should merely trust what they write, though they will not reveal the sources for their information or who they are? Moreover, scientists who are serious about their research do not write in generalities like this (we hope to make a contribution; we published in journals, we have done this before but feel there are more important things in life now).

Even if I hated the vaccine, I would not be able to trust any of this. None of their material is appropriately corrobrated, with other data, with tests, with other scientists, with previous research, with logic, with critical thinking, &c.

What's really interesting is that this website exists, that it's obviously well-funded, and that it's going to be used by anti-vaxxers to claim that they have irrefutable scientific proof - because these nice charts look scientific. If I were an anti-vaxxer I would not be convinced, but perhaps that's one mission of the website: only influence anti-vaxxers who will believe disinformation and misinformation. Those who fund the website know that they will not influence well educated people who have backgrounds in science.

One logical problem no one seems to be considering is this:

If the millions of live tests this past year of the vaccine are still not convincing to the anti-vaxxers, why would they turn to untested chemicals for a treatment? (Moreover, isn't COVID19 a hoax to them?) Why not have a consistent argument about so-called dangerous treatments and about COVID19?

Thank you for the link. It's very interesting. I would not have known of it.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The studies are cited six ways to Sunday.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes - thanks - but my point is that clinical tests on large groups are not appropriately referenced. What you see in many of those references are studies of the chemicals - some of which are for anti-viral properties of the chemicals - but not clinical texts on large groups of people. Anti-viral research is easy to locate, but not all of it's useful for COVID19. Some of the articles using COVID19 in their titles are also merely studies, reviews and evaluations. Most of what you see in the references are 'reviews' (of research) rather than significant tests on large groups. Some of the references are extracting minimal results from studies in other countries. Some of the references are obviously much more political than they are scientific, such as: "Crying wolf in time of Corona: the strange case of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin." Many of the references are re-used as references for other chemicals. Many of the references are 'evaluations' rather than clinical tests. The many references look scientifically rigorous, but there isn't anything significant on clinical testing. Anyone can pick these articles in PubMed database, while not scientifically comparing the data. What you see in the website is a research paper on all of the PubMed and website data, and some of it's from Twitter. What you don't see are significant clinical tests that would offer reliable evidence of the efficacy of those chemicals.

[–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

u/socks is a rare one here. not a bot, but ALMOST getting shit while ultimately completely failing in getting there.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please follow the Saidit guidelines

[–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Even if I hated the vaccine, I would not be able to trust any of this.

you keep saying 'vaccine'. this shows you are completely ignorant of the entire situation.

If I were an anti-vaxxer I would not be convinced

the vast majority of us are not 'anti-vaxxers', we are 'anti-this bullshit nobody knows anything about'. it takes a true genius to be completely incapable of drawing that distinction.

Moreover, isn't COVID19 a hoax to them?

nope, your complete and utter failure to understand something simple as fuck is impressive yet again.

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So you found this 2-day-old post in order to post insults about me? Moreover, none of this is factual or written in standard English. Hopefully you have better things to do.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Why would you say that? Is there an alternate place where people are arguing that COVID19 vaccines are not vaccines?

    A vaccine is literally:

    A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.

    The way this works is that the vaccine has a harmless amount of a similar strain of the virus that helps stimulate the production of antibodies. The antibodies - while they last - help with immunity.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      What's going on here? I study medical history. In the history of virology, all vaccines have worked in the same way, to inject something that the body will build antibodies for, in order to develop some level of immunity to a virus. I didn't make that up. Where are you getting your definition?

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      If you study the history of vaccinations, you would know there are several different methods in which they're given. Your description is too vague, and it requires more nuance than just saying they all work the same way.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Why are you insisting on this false information? What is your source?

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            what business is it of yours

            What business is it of yours?

            This makes no sense. Rogan is in the attention whore business and his base LOVE his anti-vax disinformation. It's that simple. He's making bank by lying to idiots.

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              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Go outside, light something on fire and burn it down. That tends to relax your kind.

              This comment is at the very bottom of the POD. No one here deserves this.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              You do similar things towards anti-vaxxers often enough.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              He'd say anything for his supporters and the ratings

              Exactly like Biden, Trump, and both political parties.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              Yes - all politicians are the same - bla bla bla. (...Unless one bothers to look.)

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              I have looked, plenty of times. I used to be involved with both parties, on a local level. Have you? If you have been involved with these cretins, and you still think they aren't mostly the same, then you probably have the same issues they have. Such as a lack of any moral integrity.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Such as a lack of any moral integrity.

              ...among those who oversimplify everything political into "both parties are the same". Follow the money.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              And, I guess you don't see the irony in your statement "follow the money." when you are a Biden supporter, right? You just don't see the irony, do you?

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              So Biden and Democrats are trying to pass a jobs bill and so much more for the 99% because they'll get rich when they do it? (No.) If you have a complaint about helping out the 99%, state it. Otherwise your're supporting the Trump & Republican fraud we witnessed in the past 4 years. And if the latter, what makes you think this way? I could guess that there are number of problems here, but it wouldn't be polite.

              [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I think he's potentially getting people to harm themselves, by promoting untested alternative chemicals like ivermectin. It's a lucrative business for him and others.

              yeah, the 'vaccines' are certainly NOTHING like that!