Last moments of a COVID patient

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[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I enjoy science, but I reserve my right to be skeptical about a fast-tracked vaccine, especially any that touch the portion of cells that allows for DNA reading. Standard vaccination is one thing, preventative care is one thing, but this whole situation has entered different territory that I would rather lend more observation time to. People do retarded shit when they're panicked, and I don't trust pharmaceutical companies to not take advantage of that-- especially not if they're going to profit hugely.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OK - I see how this can seem to be ridiculously fast-tracked, but I would argue that several months of live tests on people are appropriately informative, for several vaccines. I was invited to trial it, but turned it down. There is a long history of approaches to SARS vaccines and research, so what may seem to have been a really quick process of a few months was actually a reuse and accumulation of 40 years of research. I also appreciate that arguing in favor of vaccine research on Saidit may seem to be rather like swimming up stream. But this is one place where I can see anti-vax arguments, even if I am regularly surprised by the kind of uncorrobrated evidence that anti-vaxers provide.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm just not thrilled about the concept behind it. I know you like the engagement in conversations surrounding it, and it's probably good to hear multiple sides from people.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

Along the way, they also learned that, compared to traditional vaccines, mRNA vaccines can actually generate a stronger type of immunity: they stimulate the immune system to make antibodies and immune system killer cells — a double strike at the virus.

Phrasing like this leads me to believe that it could trigger an autoimmune response with the body's cells. I'm not an expert, but experts within Big Pharma haven't given me much reason to trust them either.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes - and it's better to see evidence and arguments like this - which should enter the broader discourse about vaccines. Unfortunately that discourse is highly polarized and it's difficult to have a discussion about any of this.