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[–]FediNetizen 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

"Court Says Six-Day-Old Baby Isn’t a Person"

God I hate these shitty editorialized titles.

"In an eight-page decision issued Thursday, a five-member majority of the Court of Appeals said in a decision written by Judge Eugene Pigott that the central question in the case was whether the state Legislature intended "to hold pregnant women criminally responsible for engaging in reckless conduct against themselves and their unborn fetuses, such that they should be subject to criminal liability for prenatal conduct that results in postnatal death? Under the current statutory scheme, the answer to this question is no."

The court said that Suffolk County prosecutors "concede that, had defendant not consented to the cesarean section with the result that the child be born alive, she would not have been prosecuted for manslaughter in the second degree." Ruling against Jorgensen, then, "would create a perverse incentive for a pregnant woman to refuse a cesarean section out of fear that if her baby is born alive she would face criminal charges for her alleged reckless conduct, jeopardizing the health of the woman and the unborn fetus."

Such an imposition of criminal liability, the majority found, "should be clearly defined by the legislature, not the courts. It should also not be left to the whim of the prosecutor."

[–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

in other words, a baby isn't a person, just a thing

[–]starblue 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Society, be careful of the slippery slope where you find that the definition of personhood and the right to live become increasingly squeezed. Some people claim that a baby born alive during a botched abortion is not a person and can be left to die, invaded for. One day, you may be declared to not be a person as well, with a similar fate to go.

I agree about the title. Should have said more like " Court rules that '6 day old baby in not a person per NYC state code." Even that's too biased for good journalism, though it's the best I can come up with in 30s.

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    [–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

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    Wizzardlizzard is one of you, don't pretend otherwise

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think there's more to it than that.

    Prosecutors had argued that Jennifer Jorgensen was speeding, intoxicated and unbelted when she crossed into oncoming traffic in 2008 and hit another vehicle head-on, killing Robert and Mary Kelly. Jorgensen was eight months pregnant at the time.

    She was acquitted of manslaughter in the deaths of the Kellys but convicted of recklessly causing her daughter’s death. (https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/jennifer-jorgensen-conviction-overturned/)

    If she wasn't found guilty of killing the Kellys in a head on collision, driving the wrong way, and allegedly involving alcohol, there's something else going on here besides the unborn child, although it does make sense not to potentially criminalize pregnancy.

    [–]boeing737 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Too long

    [–]WarmPotato[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    To be fair, they only editorialize because most people don't want to read walls of text and just want the highlight before they commit to that