BLM Leftists Attack Rand Paul And Brandon Straka Outside RNC, This Must Stop, Democrats Have Failed

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[–]Klondike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Dude the Senate trial was a sham and you know it. Don't even try to play that game.

Not sure why people act so smug that "See? My president got away with it" as if it's a fucking good thing. This isn't the Stanley Cup, you don't get a trophy.

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Yeah I will start another thread in politics and show anyone reading it that what you say is the exact opposite of the truth. That's to come. For now, note that you have ceased to grant legitimacy to both the processes of law and to the "other side".

You even accused me of playing a game. That's assuming I am disingenuous on a matter of great import. Who does that describe? Someone bad. Someone you don't need to respect. Someone whom you have utter contempt for. That's where you are, whether you know it or not.

This is very significant although you aren't aware of it. What it means is you have contempt for one half and more of this country who agrees the Senate did the right thing. And it's not just you. We ALL have personal experiences of being shunned or "excommunicated" from long standing relationships which were otherwise warm and cordial.

That's why I am here. One side, the shunning side, the cancelling size, but not the other, is hurtling us towards an irreconciable fissure. That is a bigger problem than you know.

[–]Klondike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

When the truth is right in front of you and you claim not to see it, the only thing I can assume is that you are being disingenuous. How can I possibly grant legitimacy to lunacy?

The "fissure" of which you speak is that one side cares more about "winning" and "owning the libs" than FACTS.

And you absolutely should be shunned for being proud of your ignorance. You and "your side" care more about pride than truth and it will destroy this country, while you simultaneously blame the other side for not taking better care of you.

But it's no use arguing. I've tried many times. You simply won't listen and refuse to open your eyes to reality. You choose the easy propaganda that makes you feel good, and will twist any argument that doesn't fit until you feel that you've won. Because winning is the only thing that's important to you.

It's a mindset I truly can't understand. The closest thing I have to describe it is a "cult", but calling it that will surely twist your panties. Yet there's no other word for it as far as I can tell.

And yes it is a huge problem. Good on you for recognizing it as such, but as is typical, you've misplaced the blame... Purposely? Knowingly? Maliciously? Perhaps, and perhaps you are someone bad.

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

What exactly exactly is right in front of my eyes that I do not see. Don't run off at the mouth. Tell me one specific, refutable issue. I thought we were talking about the impeachment and whether it was legitimate. If you're taking about that, then I will IM when I have prepared my case. If yo're talking about somethng else, then you have to tell me specifically what that fact- not issue-is that I am closing my eyes to.

You say you've tried and people will not listen. I am seriously listening but you have to stay focus and center on refutable fact or issue.

[–]Klondike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

This is what I'm taking about. I ask "can you see the forest?" And you say "show me a tree." If you want to try to chop them down one by one, go ahead. It sounds like you're starting with impeachment--fine. But you may want to read the Mueller Report before doing so.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

What do you think the Mueller report showed Trump did ?

[–]Klondike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Again, I would encourage you to read it.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So this is a non answer to avoid the now-obivous fact that you have no idea what it says or what the causes and charges of impreachment were.

This is the thing with the Left. They Just Believe. If it comes from "their side" they just believe.

I used to be a progressive. I spent a lot of time as a progressive with progressives- and then I saw with my own eyes what bullshitters they were and walked away long before that was a thing. It's not a reason-based movement; it's a religion

You can't even be bothered to know what the claims you're citing as just cause to remove the President of the United States- your President and mine- from office are.

Yeah. We're not the problem here. The religious headcases currently scremaing in our streets and burning down buildings- they're the problem.

[–]Klondike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Cute, but like I told you, I've played this game before. I'm not going to bother trying to summarize the report for you, because then you'll just attack my summary and claim it as a "win." Mueller is a smarter guy than me and so if you're going to try to pick something apart, you can try against his words.

Read the report and maybe you'll see that Trump isn't the Messiah you think he is.

I've never met someone who has actually read the report (the actual thing, not some fucking Breitbart Cliff's notes) and came away still thinking that Trump cares about America.

And yes, you absolutely are the problem, and no, you were never a progressive.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I asked for one claim. IN the impeachment there were two. You only had to know them and speak them. Sort of the very minimal things you should just know, having paid attention.

Everything about you reeks of contempt. You can't be bothered to articulate what it is you believe Trump did so a fellow American can examine a specific claim and the two fo you can talk about it. Again, the minimal effort you'd have to put forth to have a discussion.

Next you unilaterally declare not what you think I am (that's evident) but what I ever was.

This is heart of the matter. You say- "Conservatives think Trump is a messiah". You assign to yourself completely autocratic level of authority and omnicient knowledge over the lives and beliefs and personal characteristics of people you have never even met.

That my friend is dead-end contempt; contempt that cannot be relieved and cannot be reconciled.

Looking for serious respectful conversation on a specific matter of fact is just beneath you with "someone like me".

Think about what that leaves us. Think hard.