Every American should be asking themselves these questions... Why am I paying TAXES on my wages? Then paying Sales Tax to spend my money. Then paying Income Taxes on my money they already TAXED and paying Property Taxes after I already paid Sales Tax on said the property

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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

People aren't poor just because they don't manage their money right. Most people who're poor are born into poverty and can't escape, because that's how the system is set up — in both Capitalist and Socialist countries. Even so, it's counter-productive to make it harder for people to turn their lives around and get out of poverty. This is why people say Libertarians hate poor people — because yall do.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Lol, there is no 'system'. Michael Moore comes from a white-trash poor family..the first line in his first book is 'you can't get rich in America, don't even try' (I'm paraphrasing). He went on to make millions and millions of dollars by whining what a terrible country the US is. That's just one example. Oprah, from a poor family, is another example. There are thousands of examples, I could go on all day but I have to go to work...I mean I CHOOSE to go to work instead of whining about how unfair the 'system' is.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The system IS unfair. It's not because some individuals (cherry-picked? Who knows?) make it that it means that anybody can. In other countries, such as Canada for example, social mobility (i.e. coming from a poor background and 'making it') is much higher. Might be even higher elsewhere too. That is IMHO, a much better indicator of a decent system than rationalizations as to why you have a few ultra-billionaires and millions of homeless.

Here: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-of-82-countries/

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

I work 6 days a week, and have plenty of money. My neighbor, born into a rich family but cut off from the money, does the occasional odd job, preferring to sleep and surf. He is always whining about being broke. See a correlation?

--Oh, and most millionaires are self-made, look it up.

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

He probably a kike bro, stay away from him!

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Noted, stay based.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

"Self made" LMFAO. A few million is nothing though. I was talking about the super rich. But whatever. If you understood economics a bit better you would bite your tongue bloody over those words you just typed.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

I generally agree with your posts and comments, but this time I think your meds hadn't kicked in fully.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/majority-of-the-worlds-richest-people-are-self-made-says-new-report.html

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

"Self made" doesn't mean self-made. Oh man, here is Real Economics 101 coming your way:

  1. Most rich people become so from running companies;
  2. A company's profits are sales minus costs;
  3. Sale price of any given good is subject to fairly strict constraints, in most cases;
  4. Costs are: labor and non-human components (parts, buildings, resources, etc);
  5. The price of non-human components are subject to fairly strict constraints, see above;
  6. Therefore, to increase profits, a corporation has extremely limited leeway in sales price and non-human components;
  7. Profits are derived from paying employees less than what their work is worth;
  8. Yes, that's right. If you pay fair price for everybody's work, and for all your inputs, your sale price will be pretty much break-even;

  9. Economies of scale also come with wastes of scale; In other words, they pretty much cancel each other out at most corporate scales, with waste vastly overtaking economies at mega-corporations;

  10. The only market in which there is anything close to perfect competition, in so-called "free market" economies, is THE LABOR MARKET;

  11. Perfect competition in the labor market means that every worker is competing with every other worker for who is desperate enough to do more for less. As such, there is a continual and relentless downward pressure on compensation IN REAL TERMS;

  12. In 1969, third-quintile (more or less median) per-household income was $60,243 when converted in 2018 dollars;

  13. In 2018, 49 years later, it was $79,542, a 32% increase; https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/historical-income-households.html

  14. In 1969, there was on average roughly ONE income earner per household; In 2018 there were almost two;

  15. This means that in real terms, the wageslave earns roughly 30% LESS than in 1969;

  16. Since 1969, worker productivity has increased by roughly 140%; https://files.epi.org/2013/ib388-figurea.jpg

The conclusion is obvious: the super-billionaires "self-make" by SIPHONING THE VALUE CREATED BY WORKERS into their pockets.

How else do you explain that people produce 2.4x as much as they did 49 years ago, yet earn 30% less, and now we have super-billionaires, which didn't exist back when life was decent?

Agreeing with me means you are smart and well-informed. Disagreeing means the contrary. Oh, BTW: all MSM is shite and CNBC isn't any different.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

You do sound well-informed, but I also detect a bit of wealth envy. Rich people hire non-rich people to do stuff, right? As a contractor, I have never been hired to remodel a poor person's house. I LOVE rich people. I don't resent my neighbor for buying a new car, I aspire to do better so I can buy a new car (if that's what turns me on).

--I can't stand Oprah, but she is one example of a poor person becoming insanely rich, JK Rowling is another one. They worked hard, and offered something that a lot of people wanted. They didn't steal it, or exploit anyone (well, there was Oprah's South African girls's school, but I digress..)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I am more than "well informed". I also have no rich envy at all, as a matter of fact I have made a number of people millionaires in my life. I make money by trading the stock market instead of "working". One could say that's a rich man's lifestyle, although I do this out of health problems more than being actually wealthy.

Also, reread what I wrote above. It spells it out perfectly: with a few very rare exceptions, JK Rowling being possibly one of them, billionaires do not get so rich without STEALING value created by others. It's the same as the laws of physics: nobody can circumvent them. The only way to become a true self-made billionaire is by creating something so worthwhile, so universally acclaimed that you basically change the world. In Rowling's case that might be hyperbole, but not by much: whole generations are steeped into the Harry Potter universe.

But at the same time, you can't say that of Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Branson, Musk, etc. They're all thieves and exploiters. Nothing they themselves have done is worth even one billion, let alone how many these guys are worth.

What's the difference between a tree and a beautiful dining room set? WORK! It is work that creates value. Not just mindless labor of course: intellectual work is still work. When I trade a stock and make $100k through astute decision-making, that astute decision-making is worth something.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Devil's advocate here...all those rich cunts hire lots of poor cunts. How is that bad? They are not slaves, they WANT those jobs.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had to post... you get it. I still will lurk. But nice post. Belloc's book "The Servile State" illustrates what's going on.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! <3