Unpopular opinion: parts of third-wave feminism directly led to the rise of trans ideology

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[–]just_lesbian_things 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Women are more likely to attempt suicide than men, but men are more likely to succeed. Men succeed more because they choose more violent methods. Male violence is a problem for both men and women, as both sexes end up victims to it. I'd say maybe masculinity and its ties to violence and the "boys will be boys" attitude regarding violent behavior is the source of the problem, but if you've got a better explanation, I'm all ears.

[–]latuspod 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Men undoubtedly are more violent there is no denying that. The solution to that is something that Peterson talks about quite a bit, socializing boys properly. They need proper outlets to vent and learn how to deal with their aggression, they need rough and tumble play. Young boys crave it, that is why they are pushing, and wrestling with their friends, or playing sports with the full omtemt of winning. But these are things that generally fall into the toxic masculinity and the "boys will be boys" trope. I have two young boys and have had some of their teachers praise their passivity and gentleness in gym class and others bemoan their competitive nature. I have gotten the feeling talking to all my kids teachers that the ideal little boy in elementary school would basically be a sterotypical girl. Of course it doesnt help that their are virtually no male elementary school teachers. It also doesnt help that kids are less active nowadays, both at home and at school.

As for the suicide, yes women attempt more, with less lethal means, and sometimes those are cries for help rather than a suicide attempt. My sister has done so twice, swallow a bunch of pills and then immediately call 911. There are also numerous accidents that men get into that look suspiciously like suicide. I for years tried to think of a way I could do so, make it look like am accident, so my wife could collect on my life insurance so she wouldn't have to worry about finances while raising our kids. But I really dont want to get into whataboutism about depression and suicide because it is shitty all the time and is something a lot of people struggle with regardless of gender.

I more so wanted to point out that a few men's behaviour is not indicative of all men. And I also dont think the solution to men or societies problem is to have men behave more like women. We as a society have work to do to liberate both genders, and I think in general society is choosing to focus on the wrong things.

[–]just_lesbian_things 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The solution to that is something that Peterson talks about quite a bit, socializing boys properly. They need proper outlets to vent and learn how to deal with their aggression, they need rough and tumble play.

Boys have had rough and tumble play for almost all of human history. Violent crime is at an all time low since we turned that down. I think evidence is against rough and tumble play.

I have gotten the feeling talking to all my kids teachers that the ideal little boy in elementary school would basically be a sterotypical girl

I'm personally of the opinion that most girls were beaten into silence and passivity from a young age. I was just as bored as the boys in class, but I didn't act out because my parents taught me better; with words, rulers, and the back of their hands when they needed a little more oomph. But maybe that's what modern society needs: people who can sit quietly and solve problems. Keep up or get left behind, right?

There are also numerous accidents that men get into that look suspiciously like suicide

And plenty of women "disappear". Back when I was planning to kill myself, I wanted to disappear so as to spare my family the funeral expenses and the trauma of finding me. There will always be an element of error in statistics.

I more so wanted to point out that a few men's behavior is not indicative of all men

I'm more specifically talking about trans-identified men according to the context of this thread. But sure, #notallmen.

And I also don't think the solution to men or societies problem is to have men behave more like women

Hey, if you got a better solution, like I said, I'm all ears. I don't even like dealing with men, but if they're going to negatively affect me, I'm going to have to do something about it. And if you don't like my methods, then you should come up with your own. I'm not going to sit around and put up with crazy, entitled male behavior while you brainstorm. Let's be proactive, right?

liberate both genders

I don't support gender. There are two sexes. Gender is a bullshit, outdated social construct.

[–]latuspod 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

First thing by gender meant sex, there are two genders, two sexes. I feel gender is a better word for describing the relationship to society.

But back to the Trans identified Men, as the OP pointed out it makes sense if you consider the way society treats masculinity and men, and add that to the fact that we have this stupid idea that biological sex doesnt matter in the public discourse and you create a solution for some of these men. It is a flawed and shitty solution, that is damaging all around. And then on top of that you have men with type B personality disorders look at all this and see it as a way to control others.

The only thing I was trying to say is that being a man sucks sometimes. And I dont think the low key or overt man hating that accompanies some schools of feminism does anything positive, and is likely making the situation worse.

[–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I totally agree.