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[–]Jesus[S] 50 insightful - 6 fun50 insightful - 5 fun51 insightful - 6 fun -  (35 children)

Come on people. Jews are pushing this. It is not hard to see that. And if someone gives me the anti-semite misnomer, remember, Palestinians are semitic too.

Only pointing out what is evident.

It should remind everyone that these same Jews who write this, were the ones who Zionist Jews called for pogroms, such as Ben-gurion so that they would emmigrate to Israel.

Think about that for a second. Just shows how fearful and propagandized Jews really are. I'm quite well aware of Ultra-orthodox Jews and some of their backwards traditions and hypocritical oral laws but at least many of them live in isolation and are aginst Zionism and America's foreign aid to Israel.

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Ultra-liberal Jews are out there. But so are conservative Jews out there. Jews over all are very liberal for reasons unknown. These liberal Jews oppose Israel, conservative Jews support Israel. Some ultra-orthodox oppose Israel.

Jews generally are about 10x as engaged culturally and politically as the average White person in my experience. This is probably due to their perpetual minority status and the history of porgoms . It's complicated but you can imagine at some point them saying "this fleeing thing isn't working out for us".

The best most effective friends we have are often Jews. The worst most effective enemies we have are often Jews. Both sides are disproportionatly Jews. Given that as your starting point, the potential for confirmation bias for or against them is astronomical.

Want to prove Jews are horrid culture destructing liberals? The exemplars reach into infinity. Want to prove the exact opposite? The exemplars reach into infinity.

Instead of bemoaning the unreasonable effectiveness of Jews, the obvious thing to do is to try to be more like them.

Having been friends with many many Jews over the years I can tell you that the difference in how middle Americans raise their kids and how Jews raise their kids is astronomical.

White parents, (decent ones) tend to be rule based- do this and dont' do that- at best. Violate the rules and you're "in trouble".

Jews TALK about the REASONS why some things are good and bad and thereby inculcate in their children a deep sense of right and wrong AND show them through example that thinking things through, turning them around in conversation, looking at al sides, making arguments and defending your arguments is just what we do.

Jews are all very comfortable with those activities and very good at them because they're doing them from a young age. In Jewish househlds , you're not in trouble for saying X at the dinner table . You're thought less of for saying X and not being able to defend it or show your reasoning. I have sat at Jewish tables and heard my friends say the most shocking things, expecting the parents to drop The Bomb. What they actually did was act amused then ask my friends why they say that; then it's a discussion / debate for the next 30 minutes with everyone pitching in. No one is "in trouble".

Hate the disportionate influence Jews have in X? Then raise your game. Raise the game of your families.

Take a second and reflect on the what the anit-Jewish sentiment you hear sounds like, It sounds like whining. It sounds like someone who has been bested on the open field of fair play whining about how the game was rigged.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Liberals Jews do not oppose Israel. The oppose Likudniks but are still ethno-nationalists, at least many of them, at heart.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Who do you think the BDS movement is run by? Liberal jews. That's the tip of the iceberg.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Not sure, care to provide some sources. The BDS movement is filled with good people and bad. But boycotting a country has been a constitutional right until Trump screwed it all up.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

The BDS movement is evil in my view. I will provide the sources that it's gheaded by liberal Jews presently. I also have links deomstrating how much liberal Jews are disliked by conservative Jews. It's essentially the ame thing as liberal and conservative Americans.

Any that's a small point. My large points are in my post.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

BDS is constitutional. We have the right to choose products and organize to boycott products from regions and countries which are corporations such as Israel LLC. Lol.

It might be headed by liberal Jews but so isn't the "Jewish Alliance for Peace with Palestine" which purports to be non-partial but yet Alison Weir has proven that they are Zionists nevertheless and when truth really matters the most they will always side with Israel.

I don't care if Jews are heading something, if they are functioning and doing the constitutionally right things (that means not controlling the opposition or being subversives) then what is to complain about?

We know people by their fruits

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Well thew question is not is BDS against Israel? The question is- are all Jews the same or is there a left-right split amongst jews just like there is in any segment of the population, with the left and the right taking their ussual sides. The answer is yes and the consequence is there are lots of Jews who have it in for Israel, just like the rest of the Left.

I am a non-Jew Israel supporter. I am acutely aware of just how toxic liberal Jews are to the cause I support.

Upshot- not all Jews think alike. They're not a monolith. So don't treat them like they are.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course Jews are not a monolith but that doesn't negate the fact that Judaism teaches even the most liberal of Jews to treat non-Jews, gentiles, Amaleks with little respect—with disdain or disregard. That doesn't allege that all erhnic Jews (Jews are not a race) think this way but their traditions, even the reform sects are quite supremacist and/or marked by nepotism.

We can observe this with the integrationalists of the Hasidic Chabad-Lubavitch sects, Fundementalist Jews and communist Jews.

The humanist Jews like Iseael Shakah and Said among others are not of this ideology and speak out against rhe atrocities of Israel.

The left-winf progressive Jews, not all, can be hypocritical but the revisionist Likudnik right-winf Jews that control Israel are terrorists.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

No, the question is I support BDS because it is constitutional. You call it evil. You support Israel, a government that orchestrated 9/11.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I entertained the idea that 9-11 was somehow not what the official stroy claimed but when I looked into the supposed proof, I could find none stood up to analysis OR the analysis required was beyond my ability.

For that reason, I don't believe Israel of the US govt. did 9-11 .

AS far as Isarel goes, yeah, owing to hte very very very long history of jews being singled out and persecuted , WWII being only the latest example, I do support Isareal's right ot exist and to exist as a specifically Jewish nation.

I would think the same for anyone wioth their history.