I don't think the presidential election was stolen at all

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[–]fschmidt 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I understand your reasoning but it isn't right. I don't think anyone outside America can fully appreciate the clusterfuck of this presidential election, so I will try to explain.

What changed in the last 4 years is that big tech became the dominant economic force in the world. They are purely evil and only seek power. They hated Trump because they couldn't control him, so they wanted to replace him with someone they could control. In the democratic primary, you mostly had the usual leftists. These leftists have misguided morals, but they have morals. They sincerely believe in gay rights and the rest of the leftist nonsense. This doesn't suit big tech at all for whom morals are nothing but obstacles to power and control. Big tech gladly repeats leftist nonsense, but big tech has no real beliefs. So they supported the only candidate with no morals, no beliefs. And that was Biden. The VP is the same. Unfortunately for big tech, that meant that they had a ticket of a senile zombie and a wicked witch who had no appeal at all to voters. Any other democratic candidate would have beaten Trump, but this pathetic pair was so lacking in charisma that they managed to lose. Of course big tech easily remedied this with massive cheating. The raw evidence of cheating is overwhelming, so yes the election was stolen.

All this puts big tech in an awkward position. They own most of the politicians but a large number of Americans know that they have been cheated. The only way for big tech to deal with this is to now implement a full police state like Stalinist Russia, and that is what is coming very soon. And of course this is the ideal political system for big tech. No more need for them to deal with competition or dissent.

[–]Caamib[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I understand what you're saying but can't say I'm convinced. I mean I'm not saying it's impossible but am more of an opinion that this is not what took place. Some of the problems with your story are

  1. Trump didn't hurt big tech at all in his presidency. The worst he did was to annoy them by tweeting inspid nonsense, so why would they need to control him so much? It would be different if he tried to break them up or anything. As for Article 230 being repealed/changed, wouldn't that lead to even bigger censorship? I don't know.

  2. You mention Biden/Harris being unlikable. Hillary was even more unlikable and still won the popular vote, and Trump won by very small margins in Rust Belt states. So I don't see why he wouldn't lose by very small margins this time.

  3. I don't see why Biden doesn't also sincerely hold the beliefs about gay rights or whatever. He's been around for a long time, his views are known. A lot of Democrats running were even sleazier than him (Beto, for example), the only ones that seemed to be able to create some sympathy were Yang and Tulsi.

  4. What about the courts? Why did all the lawsuits fail?

As for the cheating evidence, the quality of Giuliani's evidence is something that is impossible to judge for somebody who doesn't deeply understand the mechanism of these elections. As an European, what he's saying is Korean to me. But I did hear Trump's phone call to Georgia officials and Trump was just spouting conspiracy theories.

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good questions. I will answer as numbered.

  1. By doing nothing, Trump left big tech constrained by rule of law. For example big tech's recent attack on Parler is a blatant violation of antitrust law. This wasn't possible under Trump. Big tech is threatened by the free market. Their software is decaying and they are out of touch with consumers, so alt-tech and other companies are threats. So they want to use the government to take complete control. Also, taking over the government generally increases their power, and power is their goal. Even during Trump, they were able to buy most of Congress but they couldn't buy Trump.
  2. This may be hard for a European to see, but to the average American Hillary Clinton had much more charisma in 2016 than Biden has now. She wasn't senile and she actively campaigned. In this election, BLM also helped Trump in the Rust Belt states. The Democrats weren't so obviously hostile to middle America in 2016.
  3. Reality is generally irrelevant in America. The reality of Biden's record is that he never actively supported leftist causes. He was basically just completely corrupt and served corporate interests, particularly credit card companies. He was tough on crime because that got him votes in the past. Nothing that he said in this campaign is supported by his voting record.
  4. The courts are part of the political class and all of the political class abandoned Trump. And for good reason. Trump is a pathological liar. The only people stupid enough to believe Trump are the moronic masses on the right. The political class knows that everything that Trump says is worthless. So Trump's promises of support are worthless and Trump's threats can be ignored. In contrast, the threats from the globalists (big tech, Soros, etc.) are very real. Any action against the globalists means a serious attack on one's political career. So this is why the entire political class, including the courts, abandoned Trump.

In Trump's phone call to Georgia officials, Trump was just alluding to the kind of evidence Giuliani talked about. I used to ignore conspiracy theories, but now the globalist conspiracy for the great reset is in plain sight. Big tech is part of that conspiracy because the basic point of the whole thing is for the upper class to take complete control and reduce the rest of the world to serfdom, and this certainly appeals to big tech.