Even the CDC Now Admits That the Vaccinated Likely Have a Higher Risk of Infection With New Covid Variant

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[–]cunninglingus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Disinformation.

AXXA: where in this report (thegatewaypundit's source) does the CDC admit vaccinated people are at a higher risk?: https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/whats-new/covid-19-variant.html

>Nearly all the U.S. population has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from vaccination, previous infection, or both, and it is likely that these antibodies will continue to provide some protection against severe disease from this variant.

[–]BobOki 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could." I notice that the CDC does this quite a bit to covers it's ass against being sued, just like ISPs say "UP TO" x speed.

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could."

False

I notice that the CDC does this quite a bit to covers it's ass against being sued

Also false - as this is normal in scientific assessments. All tests deserve updating where possible.

[–]BobOki 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No it is not. No science based org would EVER not even a theory as a fact, especially when they are giving guidelines to others about their health and in many cases lives.

As for updating as more facts and evidence presents itself, THAT is normal and should be encouraged. What is not normal is to rush forward and tell people 100% unverified, untested, and not even evidence based opinions that fit their political/ideological bias as fact. That has not and never will be scientific, that is called fake news.

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could."

Scientic results always use words like these. The essence of scientific study is to locate tendencies. Assuming that there are absolutes is a religion, not a science.

[–]BobOki 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you are not even reading what I typed. Last I checked hypothesis is not absolutes. If you are going to reply, at least have the common decency to read what you are applying to.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You wrote: "Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could."

Then you wrote: "No it is not. No science based org would EVER not even a theory as a fact, especially when they are giving guidelines to others about their health and in many cases lives."

This second assumption is a new topic regarding theory. That't not at issue. This is the issue: "Nearly all the U.S. population has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from vaccination, previous infection, or both, and it is likely that these antibodies will continue to provide some protection against severe disease from this variant." This is a factual probability, based on scientific research. It's not a theory.

[–]BobOki 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now that you have written that, explain to me which part of THEORY = absolute. Explain to me which part of THEORIES are not FACTS = absolutes.

There is no such thing as a factual probability, there are just probabilities, theories, and facts. Now, I know this is hard to understand, three words and they are all kinda close to each other, but I implore you to learn the differences.

Probability - "the extent to which something is probable"

Fact - "a thing that is known or proved to be true"

Theory - "a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts"

Hypothesis - "a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation"

There cannot, by definition, be a "factual probability" as those two things are diametrically opposed. As a theory, that requires a well-substantiated explanation, which currently is something the CDC does NOT have, and at best they have hypothesis, backed by nothing but guesses. I did not see any studies showing that the existing vaccination will protect you from anything, we have proof existing that standard masks do nothing against SARS, and MULTIPLE studies and examples of places that did not wear masks or lockdown having substantially less infections as well as deaths, like Sweden.

In summary, everything you said is verifiably incorrect, and the CDC has presented nothing that backs what they are saying, and there are PLENTY of studies showing the opposite. I will not reply to your again on this, I have stated all that needs to be said, and if you are to say something after that then that is just your ego and hubris dripping forward and really I don't care about either of those, but by all means feel free to "get the last word in" because we all know the last word = you won the conversation... ROFL

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In summary, everything you said is verifiably incorrect, and the CDC has presented nothing that backs what they are saying, and there are PLENTY of studies showing the opposite.

FALSE - and none of your other points develop an argument against:

Nearly all the U.S. population has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from vaccination, previous infection, or both, and it is likely that these antibodies will continue to provide some protection against severe disease from this variant.

This is not a theory. It's obviously a result of verified scientific research and the results of 13 billion COVID vaccine doses that have been administered. Look up examples of scientific research. Saidit has discussed this topic numerous times.

[–]SeethingPeasant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is tons of data that shows people who got the jab have getten covid many many times and the only people in the hospital for covid now are the vaccinated. There's also tons of data that show masks did far, far more harm than good.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is tons of data that shows people who got the jab have getten covid many many times

LOL - FALSE

and the only people in the hospital for covid now are the vaccinated.

FALSE

There's also tons of data that show masks did far, far more harm than good.

FALSE

[–]AXXA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.

...AND in people who've not had the vaccine. AKA: everyone. And EVERYONE who is vaccinated can be infected by any COVID variant. BA.2.86 and all other variants can infect vaccinated people. Read about vaccines. See what they help with. They do not prevent infection. They prevent serious reactions to the infection, helping the body reject the virus ASAP.

Those who are most likely to suffer the most from a COVID infection are those who've never developed antibodies with the help of the vaccine or when getting COVID.

Hence the usual CDC advice in this case:

Get your COVID-19 vaccines, as recommended

Stay home if you are sick

Get tested for COVID-19 if needed

Seek treatment if you have COVID-19 and are at high risk of getting very sick

If you choose to wear a mask, wear a high-quality one that fits well over your nose and mouth

Improve ventilation

Wash your hands

Thegatewaypundit.com is obviously for people who can't understand how to read a CDC report.

[–]AXXA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

...AND in people who've not had the vaccine.

No. The CDC actually says the exact opposite of your claim. The CDC says people who have not been injected with Covid mRNA have a lower risk. If you think about it, it's just common sense that the virus evolves to exploit the weakened immune systems of people who have been injected with Covid mRNA that hijacks the body's cells and turns them into spike protein factories.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No. The CDC actually says the exact opposite of your claim. The CDC says people who have not been injected with Covid mRNA have a lower risk.

No - it does not say that in the report. Re-read it. It's really sad that you insist on this disinformation. It's as if you work for a disinformaiton campaign. As I note, the CDC does not exclude the unvaccinated, and of course advises: "Get your COVID-19 vaccines, as recommended." EVERY variant can infect EVERYONE. The mRNA disinformation is also ridiculous.

[–]AXXA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

mRNA vaccines use mRNA created in a laboratory to teach our cells how to make a protein

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html#mrna

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I knew the mention of mRNA would help you change the subject. It's a differet discussion. The disinformation about it is ridiculous.

The subject is: it's disinformation to state that the "vaccinated likely have a higher risk of infection with new covid variant." They obviously do not. That's not in the CDC report and it's not a logical assumption.

[–]Fordry 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So basically only people who aren't vaccinated and haven't had covid are in the supposed group that is whatever amount less likely to get it but that means we get to throw around misleading titles about those who are vaxxed?