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[–]JohnRaymond 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely not the vax. Safe and effective

[–]SMCAB 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

[–]callmekaren 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"cause of death is not yet known". According to the article. Black and white sports channel on YouTube keeps picking up these stories. There seems to be quite a few instances like this recently.

[–]JohnRaymond 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was being sarcastic when I said def not the vacc.

This is huge depopulation plan. They want us dead. Don't let them scare you, but be wary and fight against the deathcult

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

Covid can kill after the infection.

People infected with SARS-COV-2 had more than three times the risk of dying over the following year compared with those who remained uninfected (aHR 3·1, 95%CI 2·9-3·3). Short-term mortality (up to 5 weeks post-infection) was significantly higher among COVID-19 group (1623·0/10 000) than in the reference group (118/10 000). For COVID-19 cases aged 60 years or older, increased mortality persisted until the end of the first year after infection, and was related to increased risk for cardiovascular (aHR 2·1, 95%CI 1·8-2·3), cancer (aHR 1·5, 95%CI 1·2-1·9), respiratory system diseases (aHR 1·9, 95%CI 1·2-3·0), and other causes of death (aHR 1·8, 95%CI 1·4-2·2).

-https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(22)00087-4/fulltext

And the BQ1 variant of omicron is strolling though Europe at the moment.

[–]BISH 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Belgian soccer goalie Arne Espeel dead at 25 after collapsing on field

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Covid can kill after the infection.

BIG PHARMA SHILLS (/u/ActuallyNot aka socks) HAVE BREECHED THE COMPOUND.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Covid can kill after the infection.

Yeah. Some of these sudden deaths would not have happened if there hadn't been a covid infection in the preceding 12 months. The risk of all cause mortality is tripled.

BIG PHARMA SHILLS [...] HAVE BREECHED THE COMPOUND.

Breached. (Maybe you've had covid? Long Covid causes cognitive deficits too.)

(/u/ActuallyNot aka socks)

What are you smoking?

Based on no evidence, and despite socks and my differing interests, time zones and overlapping time here, you lie that there's only one person in the world who could disagree with your other lies?

I'm sorry to hear that. It's truly pathetic. Are you okay? What made you abandon all self respect?

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah. Some of these sudden deaths would not have happened if there hadn't been a covid infection in the preceding 12 months.

You must be referring to the falsified PCR COVID deaths.
The medical midazolam murders, and medical remdesovir murders, cancer deaths due to hospital closures, etc.

I agree that these murders and manslaughters were unnatural sudden deaths.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You must be referring to the falsified PCR COVID deaths.

You didn't even read the GGP post? All cause mortality is tripled in the year following COVID infection.

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You didn't even read the GGP post? All cause mortality is tripled in the year following COVID infection injection.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No. Infection.

The vaccinations reduce all cause mortality.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The CDC? You're retarded. Truly.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh for fucks sake.

They're the relevant experts. Where do you get your data from? News reports of one goalkeeper with unknown vaccination status?

Their results are consistent with other countries showing all cause mortality is reduced in the vaccinated, so it's not controversial.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

[–]spaghetti 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I go to Walmart with no mask on. I eat at a Chinese buffet with no mask on. I sometimes smoke cigarette butts off the ground. I used to attend an alcoholics anonymous meeting no mask in a room with 100 people that all come from different directions.

Covid is entirely a hoax..

The vaccines are deadly

F*** Joe Biden

[–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for posting a link to the paper. Some observations:

  • Because the study involves data from 2020 -2021, when the relevant strains were the Wuhan, Alpha, Beta, Delta strains, the relevance with Omicron (which is just a cold -- in healthy individuals the Omicron strain does not leave the upper respiratory tract to infect deep in the lungs or other organs) is negligible.

  • The study is so confounded that it is not credible:

    • It is horrendously confounded with the mortality effects of lockdowns, job losses, etc.
    • Not to mention confounded with the effects of vaccination mortality in 2021.
  • Look at the graphs for mortality vs time. Some of those graphs have huge confidence intervals (pink regions), which demonstrates that we should not believe that those graphs are especially accurate. Some of those confidence regions are so wide that the data actually supports the proposition that recovering from Covid might lower your mortality! (Bottom middle graph, Figure 2.)

  • Very importantly, we see that for the medium (36-84 days) and long term (days 85-365), the slopes of the graphs (bottom middle and right, Figure 2) are virtually identical. That shows that any increase in mortality was right at the beginning, i.e. only during the period when the subject actually had Covid.

  • For the over 60 years old cohort, the slope does not come back to normal, but then this is only to be expected for any serious infection. If you did a similar graph for most any other disease on the over 60s you would likely see a similar effect.

But importantly, none of this is relevant to Arne Espeel. He is young and fit. To the degree that the Estonia data shown in that Lancet paper is at all relevant, it shows that for the young, the only excess mortality is during the first 30-40 days following infection with long-extinct strains of Covid. It has no relevance two years on, or for infection with the Omicron cold.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Espeel has ever had Covid, let alone the dangerous early strains, but knowing about the vaccine mandates in Europe we can be reasonably confident that he has been vaccinated. We know that the vaccines have long-term effects on the heart and other organs.

We cannot know for sure that Espeel was killed by vaccine-induced heart failure, but that's where the smart money is.

CC u/P-38lightning

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for posting a link to the paper.

No problem. I always think that a little bit of science goes a long way.

in healthy individuals the Omicron strain does not leave the upper respiratory tract to infect deep in the lungs or other organs

I'm not sure that's true. Certainly Omicron (and to a lesser extent Delta) coincided with a spike in child deaths, whereas earlier strains did not:

https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/delta-and-omicron-killed-far-more-children-than-flu-ever-does/

What's your source for Omicron not progressing to pneumonia or organs other than lungs?

It is horrendously confounded with the mortality effects of lockdowns, job losses, etc.

The usual way to deal with confounders if you can't do a randomized trial is to use a control group. This study effectively does that by comparing between people infected with Covid and people not infected. Because both groups would be similarly affected by lockdowns, job losses, etc these are not counfounders.

Not to mention confounded with the effects of vaccination mortality in 2021.

Vaccination would be anti-correlated to COVID infection though. Or are you suggesting that the vaccine prolongs life in ways that are unrelated to COVID?

Some of those graphs have huge confidence intervals (pink regions), which demonstrates that we should not believe that those graphs are especially accurate

Point of language: The graphs are accurate. Some don't show significance.

The statistics I quoted are significant though. People infected with SARS-COV-2 had more than three times the risk of dying over the following year compared with those who remained uninfected (aHR 3·1, 95%CI 2·9-3·3). (aHR 3·1, 95%CI 2·9-3·3) means that the central estimate of the risk of dying is 3.1 times for those that have not had covid, and the 95% confidence interval is that the risk is between 2.9 times and 3.3 times.

Very importantly, we see that for the medium (36-84 days) and long term (days 85-365), the slopes of the graphs (bottom middle and right, Figure 2) are virtually identical.

You correctly note that the difference is not significant for the mid and long term periods in isolation (only for the under 60 group). However, it is significant for the whole period. Excluding those that died in the 0-35 days period biases the covid group to healthier people, so for those periods the groups are not directly comparable.

For the over 60 years old cohort, the slope does not come back to normal, but then this is only to be expected for any serious infection. If you did a similar graph for most any other disease on the over 60s you would likely see a similar effect.

Do you have an example?

But importantly, none of this is relevant to Arne Espeel. He is young and fit. To the degree that the Estonia data shown in that Lancet paper is at all relevant, it shows that for the young, the only excess mortality is during the first 30-40 days following infection with long-extinct strains of Covid

You are assuming that because you don't know if he ever had covid, then he didn't have in in the last couple of months. (Or even several months, until you show that there is no increased risk for mortality in the under 60s several months after a positive covid test when corrected for those that died in the first 35 days.)

That is a fallacious inference.

Given the risk of death is tripled if he had been infected, the conditional probability that we had been infected given that he died, is not going to be as negligible as you would like people to believe.

We cannot know for sure that Espeel was killed by vaccine-induced heart failure, but that's where the smart money is.

The data you haven't provided is:

1) How long after a vaccination do you get an increase in heart failure.
2) How much that increase is.
3) When and whether Espeel was last vaccinated.

Until then this is an extremely speculative wild assumption.

I also note that the vaccines vary a bit but generally decrease all cause mortality, not increase it.

So the claim that "Espeel was killed by vaccine-induced heart failure", is not only wildly speculative, but is seems fair to also point out that it's patently ridiculous.

[–]dicknipples 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

TIL

Also - when Saiditors report sudden deaths, for which "a cause of death is not yet known," the medical doctors here know for a fact that the Fauci Ouchie caused it (though there are many potential causes of sudden death). More people should read Saiditors' posts and comments: a wealth of medical expertise at our fingertips.

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    [–]dicknipples 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Yes - I see those every day on Saidit.

    You should have a smidgeon of interest in facts, honesty, science, and reliable resources. All of your links are professional disinformation promotion sites. They are well-known for antivax disinformation. They are highly paid. How do you think they afford to promote this flood of unfounded, illogical claims? Who do you think is their target audience? Smart folks? (Nope.) People who care about honesty and facts? (Nope.) There are some rich assholes who are making you and a few others think you are so much smarter than billions of others who know the facts and follow the honest, reliable, science-oriented sources. Those rich assholes know that this is the ONLY way you will vote for their candidates, who are also frauds. If you knew you were voting for a fraud, would you? Antivax grooming will have you voting for frauds in no time. While you're posting lies, the GOP are trying to take a portion of your Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. Don't believe in lies.

    [–]JohnRaymond 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    How many shots have you gotten?

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      [–]JohnRaymond 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Sorry, Dude. I like your work. Nothing they've done makes a bit of sense. None, at all. From beginning. Except if they are lying bastards wanting to destroy us. Peace brother

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's a lot of deaths. Do you attribute them all to covid?

      Earlier I found 100 young deaths in sportspeople from before covid. So it's not uniquely a covid phenomenon.

      [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      when Saiditors report sudden deaths, for which "a cause of death is not yet known," the medical doctors here know for a fact that the Fauci Ouchie caused it

      The subtext seems to be that they're blaming all deaths during a pandemic on ... immunity to the pandemic.

      If you're making inferences like that, you're going to be at increased risk at zebra crossings by believing black is white.

      [–]jamesK_3rd 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

      It's not about that. It's unlikely COVID or the jab had anything to do with this or any individuals death.

      I think, what most people are getting at, is we need to ensure you, all the people, and yes even this dead player are up to date on their COVID vaccinations. We are in the middle of a pandemic. It's critical now more than ever to get your booster. Even if your up to date, get another, do it for your neighbor. Even take a friend with you to get jabbed.

      We are all in this together. And while I believe we should be garnishing every wage of anyone who got the original jab but isn't up to date on every booster, individuals such as yourself are the ones that need it most, so set an example for your peers.

      [–]JohnRaymond 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      The Jab is a mass murder weapon. Not climate change

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      It's unlikely COVID or the jab had anything to do with this or any individuals death.

      A lot of people in Europe have had COVID in the last 12 months. And if this guy did the odds are 3:1 that COVID was to do with this death.

      It's unlikely (but again, not impossible) that the vaccine had anything to do with his death. The risks from the vaccines are so much lower.

      do it for your neighbor

      This is the correct thinking. The reason BQ1 is out there killing people, and dodging their immunity, is because omicron had the opportunity to mutate.

      [–]jamesK_3rd 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      The vaccine has nothing to do with anything.

      Again, you (the individual associated with the actually it account) should get updated jabs. Get an extra if it's been over two months. Show pride in your compliance and proselytize those around you.

      People like you are how we will get thru this, consider it your duty.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      The vaccine has nothing to do with anything.

      Surely its got something to do with vaccinated people living longer?

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      And that's about an informative as Carswell comments get.

      Ever trying to reduce the quality of the discussion.

      [–]Bonn1770 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No.

      [–]dicknipples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      you're going to be at increased risk at zebra crossings by believing black is white.

      absolutely!

      [–]JohnRaymond 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      We survived it. At least we're honest, not paid by mass murderers

      [–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      when Saiditors report sudden deaths, for which "a cause of death is not yet known,"

      Especially when it comes to people dying on the sports field, that cause of death is almost certainly heart failure of some sort or another, or a stroke.

      What else is it likely to be? "Swallowed a fly and then his stomach exploded when he followed it with a spider, a rat, a cat, a dog and a cow."

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

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      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I see you're not okay with facts.

      You should think about why.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      I don't like liars like you who selectively twist "facts" and try to corrupt free-thinking platforms.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You're mistaken about my post.

      I quote directly from the paper that I link to. It was published in The Lancet.

      [–]aaarrgh 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      just another one