What journalism used to be

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This raises questions like - what changed? Was there a switchover date, or have we gradually transitioned?

I think it's pretty obvious that the rise of internet and social media are the cause of the change, although I would love to hear an explanation for how the Victorian rise of tabloids were the real death of journalism.

The megaphones in the second picture are the blogs, social media, garage video production companies who can attract just as many clicks as the first group.

Actually I'd argue that the first group are still there, they just didn't grow in size along with the second group. The growth of the internet doesn't mean you can squeeze more reporters into a press briefing room, but it does allow millions more megaphone people to shout at the public.

So, I wonder what P38 and people who agee with this meme will do differently now it's been pointed out.

Like, will you read more credibly the reporting from serious press-pass high-brow MSM - likewise will you cease visiting the megaphone substack blogs and rumble videos? If you agree with this meme and think it's important, will you change your behavior, or keep clicking on the megaphone guy's dumb blog at the expense of real MSM who have editors and ethics and review processes?

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Actually I'd argue that the first group are still there, they just didn't grow in size along with the second group.

I went to a talk by an investigative journalist and he said when he goes to papers with a story now no one knows what they are supposed to do with it, even the older editors. He has to talk them through the whole investigation and publishing step by step. The basic skills are mostly dying out.

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    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Actually the Sunday Times is probably best known for investigative journalism.

    The Guardian is way down the line on that, somewhere behind the Sun and the Mail.

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      [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      It's difficult to see anything more there than the obvious Tory propaganda.

      So you've never read it then. https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-reporting-team-that-rocked-britain-and-the-world

      You are part of the problem. The truth doesn't change depending on what political party supports it.

      Yep, I was talking about investive journalism, not politics.

      The guardian obscures stories rather than revealing them. I read nothing else for years before I realised there were many stories in other papers I knew nothing about.

      Thinking the Guardian must be the paper most important in investing journalism just because they happen to be the one which aligns with your prejudices show you are not just falling for propaganda, you are purposely inflicting it on yourself.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        Everyone knows the Dailystar are the real investigative journalists in Britain

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          Formerly a publisher of pornographic magazines including Penthouse and Asian Babes

          😃

          Looks like they got bought in 2018 by these guys

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_plc

          [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yep it's all about money. Publications at the moment can make far more money by either simply shilling out to tell the readers exactly what they want to hear or by going into the shock and emotional outrage territory by reporting on things in the most inflammatory ways possible.

          "Man dies during botched arrest" "Racist cops kill innocent black man"

          Which headline will you click?

          "Man in dress wins at golf" "Transphobic outrage against historic WPGA champion"