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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

This raises questions like - what changed? Was there a switchover date, or have we gradually transitioned?

I think it's pretty obvious that the rise of internet and social media are the cause of the change, although I would love to hear an explanation for how the Victorian rise of tabloids were the real death of journalism.

The megaphones in the second picture are the blogs, social media, garage video production companies who can attract just as many clicks as the first group.

Actually I'd argue that the first group are still there, they just didn't grow in size along with the second group. The growth of the internet doesn't mean you can squeeze more reporters into a press briefing room, but it does allow millions more megaphone people to shout at the public.

So, I wonder what P38 and people who agee with this meme will do differently now it's been pointed out.

Like, will you read more credibly the reporting from serious press-pass high-brow MSM - likewise will you cease visiting the megaphone substack blogs and rumble videos? If you agree with this meme and think it's important, will you change your behavior, or keep clicking on the megaphone guy's dumb blog at the expense of real MSM who have editors and ethics and review processes?

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Actually I'd argue that the first group are still there, they just didn't grow in size along with the second group.

I went to a talk by an investigative journalist and he said when he goes to papers with a story now no one knows what they are supposed to do with it, even the older editors. He has to talk them through the whole investigation and publishing step by step. The basic skills are mostly dying out.

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    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Actually the Sunday Times is probably best known for investigative journalism.

    The Guardian is way down the line on that, somewhere behind the Sun and the Mail.

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      [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      It's difficult to see anything more there than the obvious Tory propaganda.

      So you've never read it then. https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-reporting-team-that-rocked-britain-and-the-world

      You are part of the problem. The truth doesn't change depending on what political party supports it.

      Yep, I was talking about investive journalism, not politics.

      The guardian obscures stories rather than revealing them. I read nothing else for years before I realised there were many stories in other papers I knew nothing about.

      Thinking the Guardian must be the paper most important in investing journalism just because they happen to be the one which aligns with your prejudices show you are not just falling for propaganda, you are purposely inflicting it on yourself.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        Everyone knows the Dailystar are the real investigative journalists in Britain

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          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Formerly a publisher of pornographic magazines including Penthouse and Asian Babes

          😃

          Looks like they got bought in 2018 by these guys

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_plc

          [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yep it's all about money. Publications at the moment can make far more money by either simply shilling out to tell the readers exactly what they want to hear or by going into the shock and emotional outrage territory by reporting on things in the most inflammatory ways possible.

          "Man dies during botched arrest" "Racist cops kill innocent black man"

          Which headline will you click?

          "Man in dress wins at golf" "Transphobic outrage against historic WPGA champion"

          [–]bife_de_lomo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          The ubiquity of free news has devalued the product so much that people are no longer willing to pay for journalists to produce it.

          Advertorials and shallow comment round out the poor offering at most outlets, so reporting the press releases of gov depts is all they have left.

          I think the move to more adversarial and polarized reporting has also made people trust what they are reading less, so their credibility has been entirely squandered.

          [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You see this alot in science reporting.

          I'm very interested in astronomy and keep tabs on some of the developments there. But the news about it is always hot garbage. They'll take some scientific report like "Scientists have found evidence of a possible planet between 2-3 earth masses located near a star with assumed temperatures of 3000 degrees at surface" and the headline will read "New Earth Discovered! Is there life!"

          Which of course the article will then say something like "3000 degrees might make your summer picnics on this planet unpleasant"

          No shit.

          I should start charging them for wasting my time.

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          the state adopted neoliberalism, so basically they championed gay rights, etc., making the media think that the government was on their side, and anyone who was against the state, was anti-gay or something.

          [–]HibikiBlack 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          It's a result of the ruling oligarchies seeking to expand their influence over the media, the CIA in particular is the group with the largest control over the media and it and all the most relevant Intelligence groups work together under the Jesuits:

          https://i.redd.it/gynpiv8esi731.png

          Five companies control 90% of the media in the US. There are Jews and Catholics/apprentices of the Jesuits that have influence in many of those places. But the CIA is the organization that has the greatest control over all of them and It's control goes even beyond the US. Jews are openly discriminated against in the CIA, so It's safe to say that the media is for the most part controlled by the Jesuits and their apprentices:

          The CIA uses journalists who double as undercover contacts, as well as missionaries.

          How the CIA Hoodwinked Hollywood.

          Washington DC’s role behind the scenes in Hollywood goes deeper than you think.

          The CIA and the Media- Carl Bernstein.

          CIA influence on public opinion.

          CIA Operation Mockingbird.

          Editor of major German newspaper says he planted stories for the CIA. He says the corruption of journalists and major news outlets by the CIA is routine, accepted, and widespread, and that journalists who do not comply either cannot get jobs or find their careers cut.

          Udo Ulfkotte, former editor of large German newspaper said that he was paid by the CIA in order to edit his articles and that the CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media sites.

          Documents expose how Hollywood promotes war on behalf of the Pentagon, CIA and NSA.

          The CIA behind Animal Farm.

          The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television Paperback by Tricia Jenkins.

          Operation Hollywood: How the Pentagon Shapes and Censors the Movies by David L. Robb.

          The ties of Youtube and Facebook with the CIA. Much of the initial funding for Facebook came from CIA backed venture capital firms to the tune of nearly $50 million.

          The CIA's relationship with Google.

          Reddit co-founder Aaron Swartzs' father claims the government killed his son.

          In 1939, Knight of Malta Joseph Kennedy instructed all Jewish Hollywood studio owners to not make anti-Nazi films and to cease having Jews appear in films altogether.

          Kennedy's fellow knight of Malta William Donovan is regarded as the founder of American intelligence.

          The fact that they have been controlling the Vatican for hundreds of years needs to be made clear.

          Both Hitler and Himmler admitted the influence the Jesuits had on the ideals of the national socialists... and it was the Vatican that allowed many of them to escape, out of which many of them helped in the creation of the CIA and were part of many of its operations.

          The founding father of the CIA, William J. Donovan was granted the Grand Cross of the Order of St. Sylvester. Only like a hundred men have been given this award... and it is granted by the pope himself because of some service to the Vatican.

          The CIA's director of intelligence Allen Dulles and the Jesuit priest Avery Dulles were blood related. Allen was also the CIA director that was in power for the longest time.

          Like Donovan, the CIA's director John A. McCone was given the Grand Cross of the Order of St. Sylvester because of his service to the Vatican. John was also involved in the creation of the CIA itself.

          Finally, the CIA itself is a Catholic organization, like its nickname implies. Which Catholics themselves openly boost about through their media.

          Doctor Stephen D. Mumford, wrote in American democracy & the Vatican: Population Growth & national security, pg 172:

          "The CIA serves as an agency through which secret assistance to the Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church can be provided by secret American society members acting as her defenders.

          For creating the Office of Strategic Services [OSS], the wartime predecessor to the CIA, and this special arrangement with the Vatican, General William (Wild Bill) Donovan was decorated in July 1944 by Pope Pius XII with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only one hundred other men in history, who by feat of arms or writing or outstanding deeds have spread the faith and have safeguarded and championed the Roman Catholic Church.

          Donovan did more to safeguard and champion the Roman Catholic Church than any other American, and he was rewarded for his services with the highest Roman Catholic award ever received by an American. No doubt, thousands of others have striven with their deeds for similar recognition."

          Compilation of arguments about the Jesuit control over the Cheka, KGB and FSB.

          Compilation of arguments about the Jesuit control over the British MI5/MI6.

          Compilation of arguments about the Jesuit control over the Mossad.

          Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was influential in Mao’s views and Chinese Intelligence as well. Teilhard was the most influential philosopher behind the globalist and capitalist movement. Even today, The Vatican is influential and has close ties to the Chinese government.

          Former CIA officer E. Howard Hunt said in an interview in the documentary "A Coup Made in America" which aired on Canadian television series Turning Points of History in 1998, speaking on his role in the coup d’état in Guatemala in 1954 that:

          “We had gotten the okay from Cardinal Spellman to go ahead with this… and I wouldn't presume to trace the lines of authority within the Catholic Church… how they get their information they deal with… We've always said in an admiring way that the Jesuits form the greatest intelligence service in the world and always have."

          Make sure to visit the s/Jesuits sub Saidit for more info about the order. If you are interested in groups seeking change against the Vatican's influence, please make sure to visit s/NationalistRevolution as well.

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          freemasons

          [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          XD

          [–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Any real journalist, who speaks truth to power, which is their fucking job by the way, can't live in the US. All the real ones are murdered or moved away and still harassed by our letter agencies.

          [–]LynchTheGroomers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Never was.

          [–]carn0ld03 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Journalism has always been an organized intelligence gathering operation intended to manipulate and control the thinking of those who consume it.

          [–]brbmodule 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          have a look: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rw1fJoe2YzI

          sadly its in switzerdüütsch. in the midst of wu-flu turmoil, headhoncho of a yellowpress agency telling his staff: we're in support of the government whatever it takes. he got caught on cellphone - others not.

          the whole mechanism was in place before, like soon after the invention of "the press". the wu-flu was the ultimate stress test today. ol chomsky's "manufacturing consent" is hotter than ever.