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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

There is no serious threat now, nor ever was. The death toll worldwide is 1.4 million in all this time and you can bet that stat is padded. It's a flu, a bad flu and nothing more, so get off your high horse and stop spreading government propaganda.

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If you refer to US government propaganda, that's part of what fucked up the US economy with this virus. Twittler persuaded numererous idiots that this is a hoax and a flu, causeing numerous deaths.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The virus didn't fuck up the economy. The manufacture fear porn and hysteria overreaction to the "virus" did. That was perpetuated by the corporate-owned "experts", government, and media proven liars for profound profits and control. This is a class war and the ruling class are getting desperate as we all wake up to their bullshit.

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I agree that there is a class war perpetuated by the 1%, but this is how a (real) problem like the virus can be used by disaster capitalists for temporary financial gain, whereas we can see in some other countries that contained the virus less of a negative economic impact. Thus, containing the virus pandemic = better economy for the 99%. Spreading propaganda that the virus is a flu = huge initial profits for the 1% because of the continuance of the virus and problems.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All the sources of information are suspect in my view. All nations, all media, all reports. Perhaps some people actually caught a virus. Perhaps it's a bullshit test that picks up RNA pieces that are prevalent everywhere anyway. I lean toward the latter.

How the virus impacts various regions, including the economic fallout, depends on how much the ruling class needs to crush that culture. There's no statistical reason to lockdown anyone. Quarantine the sick, weak, and vulnerable - anything else is tyranny, brainwashing, and training their debt slaves - all while crushing independence, small business, and centralizing the corporatocracy's power.

Well worth re-reading under this year's situation: /s/Gaslighting/comments/6w3b/the_shock_doctrine_the_rise_of_disaster/

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Oh take it back to reddit. No one here believes the virus bullshit. The world's economies are being destroyed as part of the new world order plan and you are just a change agent for said NWO

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I think you may give me too much importance and may have spoken incorrectly for a number of us at saidit.net who believe in the truth and in science, and in debunking the Trump Admin gaslighting that makes fools think that all news media - except for Fox and Sinclaire - is bad, that facts can be considered lies, that 99.9% of scientists are wrong and other nonsense. OK then, who do you trust for your news? Is it an Twittler's handlers (McConnell, Miller, Kushners, Putin &c, &c), or is it science?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

A blind faith in proprietary (secret) corporate "science" is a corrupt-science dogma called SCIENTISM and whether you believe me or not your belief is a new religion.

Just as socialism is a process that can be used for good, evil, and everything between, so too, the scientific method is a process to rule out what cannot be, leaving what can be perceived as some facts and truth - assuming the premise, hypothesis, and such are sound (and too often they are not). Further, this process MUST be validated by others in an open process of peer review. If the "science" is private then it's not open and not validated.

Corporations, government, banks, think tanks, and media are notoriously secretive. Trust them as far as you can throw them. In addition to their secretive ways, they also have many more abundant tools than just soft and hard censorship, deplatforming, attacking characters, attacking means of income, and dynamic silence - but those are just a start you should look into.

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. People planned to make the complex device you're reading this on, just as much as the control structures exist to socially engineer manufactured consent of the masses. Boardrooms and smoke filled lounges are more than adequate, and there's no shortage of them openly discuss these conspiracies and concepts with those in the loop, and for us on the fringes to see and discuss while everyone else is distracted with talent shows and sports ball and movies and political theater.

THEY don't want you to hear about these things because if we knew some of us might actually do something about it.

Your faith in corporate media sources and stats is naive. You'd do better to find alternative media from diverse perspectives that reflect on corporate media if you still want to keep up with the "official" narratives. Then make up your own mind instead of lazily swallowing whatever shit they feed you.

If you're being fed and regurgitating information you're not making up your own mind.

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I think we agree on most of this, and it's perhaps why we're here at saidit.net. These are - I agree - serious problems. Part of the argument you will continue to get from me, however, is that we can indeed find reliable journalism that we can corroborate with other reasonably reliable sources. But in agreement with you and others, I would never wish to use information in a self-affirming way, and instead have focused on the least refutable examples. This is a form of logic for the history of science that Karl Popper has used, as a way of clarifying that historiography should not be a series of self-affirming prophecies. Instead, we want to see which evidence is the least refutable, and corrobrate that with the least refutable. Thus hopefully we (ie. the royal 'we') can or will eventually agree on similar approaches to the truth (with the help of reasonable doubt) and science, even if it's in the midst of a lot of subversive and stochastic noise.

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That account you and I have just been conversing with is such an astroturfer for the medicos I have blocked it. I hate listening to patent Lies.

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I trust my brain and my eyes and my experience. I have seen enough people murdered by doctors and their unnecessary medications and procedures to know they are a necessary evil and that anything they say must be taken with the same respect that you would give to a real estate agent or car salesman.

Science, in the pursuit of wealth is one of the worst aspects on life on this planet. It's what is bringing it to the brink of destruction.