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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

I don't know what this fool meant. The industrialized societies of the west are extremely oppressive, and its broken so so so many beautiful cultures and people groups. He seems to be living in more of a fantasy than you, just_lesbian

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

The industrialized societies of the west are extremely oppressive

How do you live in a fantasy world like this? Live in a Muslim country for actual oppression. Jesus.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

You don't seem to realize the industrial west is simply a glass house. You can point at how nice it is, but it literally destroyed my people. It literally raped my country, gobbled up its beauty, and spat it back out as an assimilated factory-field. It wants to do this EVERYWHERE. FUCK YOU, CHIPIT.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Pff. As if you lived in some kind of Utopia before the West existed. What would you do when you got sick? Go to a witch doctor? How about your LGBT youth? Equally treated, right? And income equality? I bet you had a strong middle class that led to democracy.

Hey, how about that democracy, right? I'm sure you had that...wait, no.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Yeah, you literally just point to the glass house and say that I should be thankful. When this shit falls, we are all getting scratched and cut. This house looks nice, but only at the cost of other houses. I never claimed my people had a utopia, but we did have a democracy. If you think America was the first democracy, look into the iroquois (?) confederation and the ancient proto-gaels. America isn't some shining jewel. There was no need for a middle class when there was just one class. There was no need to worry about being sick when life was an accepted thing, as in, it wasn't hated and fought against unlike the western societies. They accepted death, and they did have ways to treat multiple diseases and illnesses, ways that worked. Some of those ways, like agarikon, are actually dozens of times more beneficial for the human apparatus. Look into the work of Paul Stamets concerning how ancient cultures used mushrooms to heal TB, psychosomatic issues, and nervous system issues. You'll be surprised to learn that most of our ancestors weren't savages like we have been led to believe by our foes.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

When this shit falls, we are all getting scratched and cut.

This is the same rhetoric used by doomsday preachers. Things might be great now, but just you wait! Doom is coming soon, so repent!

They accepted death

Yeah we don't. That's why we can perform things your people consider miracles, like cure cancer. Or even cataracts. Or near sightedness.

I bet you don't go to a witch doctor when you get sick, eh?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are strange. Industrialism is killing this planet, and it already destroyed many cultures, it's destroying the Amazon right now. If you think the Old World should be wholly thrown out for the New World, then you are my foe. You support genocide, Chipit, then say happiness is the end goal of life. You are so deluded.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You support genocide

You are now either hallucinating and making things up, or deliberately lying and putting words in my mouth. I find it's pretty common on the far left to demonize anyone who disagrees with you. It's easier than using scientific facts, which are rejected as part of the Enlightenment.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not left or right, fool. If you support industrialism, you support genocide. Plain and simple.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well that's certainly an original idea that I've never seen before. You know if we disappeared there would be mass human death as our advanced food growing techniques disappeared? You know, genocide?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Second reply to address the witch doctor bit. Industrialism didn't create EVERYTHING in modern medicine. You can't attribute everything in the modern world to Industrialism(just like I can't attribute all evil in the world to Industrialism), but you'd sure like to. Most of it comes from studies which were already being done by those "witch-doctors" and people considered similar to them by modern scholars. Industrialism didn't create every tool we use, in fact, most of the shit that it did create firsthand (the mental health institutions, factories, modern schools) are horrible.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Most of it comes from studies which were already being done by those "witch-doctors"

Oh, ho. I should like to read one. In which scientific journal did they publish?

most of the shit that it did create firsthand (the mental health institutions, factories, modern schools) are horrible.

Yeah, God forbid that people should be able to be treated for mental health problems and have their children educated.

You have this really bizarre, outdated anti-science far leftist ideas I haven't seen since the web log era of the early 2000s.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lol do you write off the ancient accomplishments just because they were ancient? I'm not anti-science. I'll pull up the actual science that proves psychology is a pseudo-science.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Psychology is a pseudo-science? Oh...you're a Scientologist! That explains a lot.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Every person who uses money is a usurer. All money is interest bearing bank loans.

I'm afraid we are all to blame for the woes of the west.