Melania Trump posed nude in magazines. The Propaganda Machine does not want to talk about it. [video]

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[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If I tell you to stop playing in the street because you could get hit by a car, is that implying God's wrath? If you get out there anyway, you put yourself in danger. You do not understand me or God if you think his wrath is implied. I am saying you are responsible for yourself.

Next time you are in danger, will you call on the Lord Jesus Christ? If your answer is no, then you can see how your flippant attitude towards him has destroyed your faith. Instead of arguing with me, you could be reconciled to God by humbling yourself and asking for his forgiveness. Then get right with him. Trust him.... You will need faith in Jesus to survive the events that are now taking place.

[–]no_u 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If I tell you to stop playing in the street because you could get hit by a car, is that implying God's wrath?

Now you've changed what you wrote into this note about God not being present in your comment. YOU wrote:

You have put yourself in danger for joking about the Lord doing something perverted, which he would not. Repent while you can so you may be forgiven.

You are referring directly to the Lord, stating that I said the Lord was doing something perverted. Ergo I am in danger. AGAIN: in danger of what? Of the Lord noticing what I did and the Lord's response to it?

You can't argue over and over that you are not referring to God's response. You are. Thus you CANNOT compare what I wrote about Trump to "playing in the street." Indeed, as you indicate, playing in the street does not necessarily incur God's wrath. There's no comparison.

Moreover, monks have made bawdy jokes - including Jesus in those jokes - since the time of the first monks.

They have known and you should know that omnicient God is NOT concerned with bawdy jokes, because if he/she were, he'd/she'd be an idiot. (Don't insult God.)

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You didn't answer my question, as if you can't hear me. Perhaps you thought it was rhetorical. My question was, "Next time you are in danger, will you call on the Lord Jesus Christ?" You would do well to examine your heart. You are in danger of having no faith to get you through the events that are coming in like a flood. The scriptures say, Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Will you call on the name of the Lord? If you do not, you also will not be saved.... from dangers of all kinds.

[–]no_u 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Additional questions avoid the topic.

If you want to argue that I am in danger because my joke indicates that I don't have faith, or I cannot "call on the name of the Lord" or the other things you mention, that changes the topic to several other claims, all of which refer back to God's potential disapproval of me and potential response or non-response, however you want to see it. My response is (still) that an omnicient God would NOT behave like a selfish jerk. For example, were I to pray to God, it's not likely that an omnicient God would listen to the prayer and think - oh, you're the one who made that tasteless joke about Jesus and Trump - so I will ignore your prayers. That's a selfish jerk, not an omnicient God who would understand dumb jokes are just dumb jokes, not something to be taken seriously. Moreover, it was Jesus who tried to change the tradition of the jealous, spiteful God into a tradition of a forgiving, welcoming God. Are you a good Christian if you overlook Jesus's teachings? Respect God, rather than assume that you can represent God's wishes on earth. Your relationship with God is direct to God, as is mine. We cannot tell anyone else what God might do to them, or that God might ignore them. We can only reference scripture, discuss our experiences, and even encourage others to appreciate God's blessings in our lives. The moment we claim to know what God would do is the moment that we compare God's actions to human actions, which is an insult to omnicient God, and to Jesus, who, by his actions, provided human responses that help others through his examples. Jesus could say what God might do to sinners, but we sound foolish if we are to presume to have that knowledge, to have Jesus's knowledge.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When I responded to your joke about Jesus doing something perverted, I spoke up to warn you against that practice. I did not say anything about God's wrath. Why joke at all? What value is there ever in anyone joking about Jesus behaving like a sinner? It is offensive to me, and yet you do not care. Instead you accuse me for speaking up. There is hope for us, through Jesus, if we will repent and ask his forgiveness. I asked you two times if you would call on him when you are in danger and you would not confirm that you would. God never changes. It is man that strays and leaves his protection. God is always near to the contrite, who admit their faults and desire his help. Let us drop this argument and instead remember the words: Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

[–]no_u 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The answers to all of this are already in my replies above. And you're still trying change the subject by asking additional questions that would derail the original discussion. It's manipulative, weak and does not follow Jesus's teachings. Moreover, you should not be offended by jokes, especially if you respect God. Jesus wants joy in our lives, not this hatred of jokes.

[–]no_u 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By the way - here's a wonderful video for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/197o8em/a_very_pertinent_hitchslap

I don't agree with him, but his point about extremists are spot on. I'd argue that 90%+ religious people aren't so extreme.