A 27,000-year-old pyramid? Controversy hits an extraordinary archaeological claim - The massive buried structures at Gunung Padang in Indonesia would be much older than Egypt’s great pyramids — if they’re even human constructions at all. by neolib in history

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Incredible. But no surprise at the religious science community contesting the legitimacy of the site, there is strong opposition to any site being claimed as older them the 'agreed' age of the Egyptian pyramids.

Dua for a Blissful Family by alim in history

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It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: ‘The Children of Israel split into seventy-one sects, and my nation will split into seventy-two, all of which will be in Hell apart from one, which is the main body.' (Sunan Ibn Majah Book 36, Hadith 3993) https://www.alim.org/hadith/sunan-ibn-majah/36/3993/

In the tapestry of Islamic history, let's reflect on the Prophet's (ﷺ) guidance about unity in the Ummah. Explore more profound hadiths at Alim.org - Your Gateway to Islamic Knowledge.

Naomi Biden: Here is all you need to know about Joe Biden's granddaughter by shehnazb in history

[–]gosso920 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She lost her virginity to her grandfather when she was eight.

Naomi Biden: Here is all you need to know about Joe Biden's granddaughter by shehnazb in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

who cares --its the criminals we are interested in seeing go to jail

The first Israel was not a land.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]siliconmorpheus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the Rothschilds purchased Ukraine and called it Jewistan more people would notice.

The first Israel was not a land.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

obviously

k

The first Israel was not a land.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of the stuff in Genesis uses the names of men to represent tribes.

Like, when Esau sold his birthright to Jacob in exchange for some lentils - we're obviously not talking about two people. We're talking about two tribes. Something that has to do with famine relief.

When Noah says "Cursed be Canaan" - the child Canaan, who's done nothing wrong at all in the story, is obviously an allegory for the Canaanite civilization.

Orientals built a pyramid 10,000 years before the Egyptions. Egyptians are butt hurt. by IkeConn in history

[–]IkeConn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you age discriminate. Butt hurt is valid. If you are lucky maybe one day you will be as old as me. It beats the alternative.

Orientals built a pyramid 10,000 years before the Egyptions. Egyptians are butt hurt. by IkeConn in history

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

butt hurt.

Really strange for an old man to write this.

Orientals

*Indonesia

Egypt

It's not like they're competing for "oldest pyramid" in a book of world records.

It's an amazing discovery. Looking forward to more info about it.

Orientals built a pyramid 10,000 years before the Egyptions. Egyptians are butt hurt. by IkeConn in history

[–]Southpawn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Orientals probably still in east Asia. It was most likely built by black aborigine

Kaal Sarp Dosh Puja in Trimbakeshwar by trimbakeshwar_pandit in history

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You can book your kaal sarpdosh puja in trimbakeshwar from here: https://pandittrimbakeshwar.com/trimbakeshwar-pandit-best-pandit/

What if Mao Zedong had been executed for gross mismanagement because of The Great Leap Forward, and/or, The Cultural Revolution? by jerryk in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

wasnt 'mismanagement' it was treason against the people of his country

really just compounding his other crimes against the people

What if Mao Zedong had been executed for gross mismanagement because of The Great Leap Forward, and/or, The Cultural Revolution? by jerryk in history

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But, if they had been much more efficient at killing their own people than Mao, there wouldn't have been anyone left in China after a decade or two.

What if Mao Zedong had been executed for gross mismanagement because of The Great Leap Forward, and/or, The Cultural Revolution? by jerryk in history

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Killing millions wasn't incompetence.

If they were to fire him for incompetence it would be to replace him with someone even more efficient at killing people.

Evolution of the Roman Infantry Armor by SidMeyer in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

years ago they discovered the Teutoburg forest mass graves (battle September 8–11, 9 AD - big disaster for Romans) with large numbers of lorica segmentata plate armor - which had been thought to not be deployed yet - Germans had many blunt force weapons which plate armor works against much better than the lorica hamata chain armor

Did dust kill dinosaurs? New research sweeps other extinction theories under the carpet by ansarlodhi in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

dust = blocked sunlight ?

mice can live for a long time on a frozen multi-ton pile of T-rex

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

She want to fuuuuuuuuuuuck him.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]jordan-paul 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe that spiritual love is true love, not physical love

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]SheKnowsWhatAllKnow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing mortal is permanent.

Did dust kill dinosaurs? New research sweeps other extinction theories under the carpet by ansarlodhi in history

[–]passionflounder 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Experts agree that the dinosaurs died off because of vaccine hesitancy.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Major differences:

Those are temporary mirrors of Nature, not imprints

Experiments like the one discussed by Euclid merely involve a shiny plate inside a vessel that has a hole punched through the other end and a view area cut into the clay vessal above the shiny plate. That merely indicated that light travels in a straight line and the images were of course temporary.

Another temporary image was the look of one's face in a pool of water.

Temporary images also formed inside tents or caves that had a hole in their walls.

All of the above temporary images are somewhat blurry.

Pliny referred to a crisp illusion of nature, something that appeared to be three-dimensional, albeit artifice/unnatural. To him and others, a natural imprint of the mirror of nature was not possible, unless it was temporary.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There was actually. The history of a "camera obscura" has been traced back to BC and possibly prehistoric cave paintings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura

What if Scotland's dynastic uncertainties had begun prior to Edward I ascending to the throne of England? by jerryk in history

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess my point is that even though Edward II was weak, after 35 years of full English control, there would have been very little rebel strength left in Scotland by this point, so, even Edward II would have been able to hold it. After all, it took a couple of decades for the Scots to achieve their full independence, even with Edward II OTL. And, even Edward II didn't lose Wales, which was an earlier conquest of his father, Edward I, despite his weakness. As for the Edwards never being born, well, I guess you never know, but there's no obvious connection between the dynastic struggles in Scotland and the birth of the Edwards. And, my point is, combining England with Scotland gives the "British" more manpower and raw materials, so, a better chance to achieve power worldwide. At the time, the English already controlled much of France, it was called the Angevin Empire,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angevin_Empire

so, England wouldn't have had to "take over" France, they already controlled much of it. They just would have had to hold onto it, and, with Scotland as part of this Empire, they would have been in a much better position to do just that.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair the cloudflair thing means people think they have voted on posts but it doesn't go through.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right, we should upvote every real post at this point to drown out the spam a little bit.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems you didn't vote on this post, as there is only my vote on it at the moment. Vote on posts, nigga.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, except that photography is not the correct comparison. There was no concept of the photograph in antiquity. To mirror nature or one's lover was to reify them, to make them appear three-dimensional or sculptural. Pliny's paintings were considered so much like the mirror of nature that there is a story of birds trying to get the grapes in one of the paintings.

Legend: The Origin of Painting by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What a hottie.

What if Scotland's dynastic uncertainties had begun prior to Edward I ascending to the throne of England? by jerryk in history

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Edward II was weak and gay so he probably never would be able to hold onto Scotland much less take over France. But in your scenario, because of the butterfly effect, maybe neither Edward is ever born and someone else is king of England, and who knows if they'd be weak or strong. It's just hard to say. I think because of raw materials and manpower England would never be able to turn Europe English in any scenario though.

Evolution of the Roman Infantry Armor by SidMeyer in history

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It gives me a bot check that fails when I do it right. Too bad, it seemed like it might be a neat piece to read.

Gorgeous video imagines doomed Soviet-era hydrofoiling shuttle launch by boston_blackie in history

[–]jordan-paul 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These facts are always so shocking

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your simplistic proof ...

go into more specific detail and you instantly see the differences

ignore the thousands of surviving witnesses who were there who saw what happened

Too bizarre is that this is something YOU create some conspiracy over ...

Gorgeous video imagines doomed Soviet-era hydrofoiling shuttle launch by boston_blackie in history

[–]boston_blackie[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agree. Maybe a big long rocket sled instead of hydrafoil!

Gorgeous video imagines doomed Soviet-era hydrofoiling shuttle launch by boston_blackie in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

ISRAEL 1991 - While President George H W Bush was at the Madrid Peace Conference pushing them to break up Jerusalem, the same day his personal home was being damaged by a freak storm. ~ October 31, 1991: Rare Halloween storm appeared to be God's judgement on America for breaking up Israel. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do not completely disagree with you. God gave men the 10 commandments, but he said: Thou shalt do this or not do that.... He did not say Thou must do this. They are still the commandments, which if a man will obey, he will live, but each man can choose to obey or not. The commandments are to give man life, but like you said, God does not need man to do anything for him, but he wants man to choose life.

Jesus gave a commandment, while still allowing you free will: Love one another. Most people do not obey him. Instead, people obey the maser of this world, who teaches them to hate one another. People are fully able to choose which master they will serve, but each master has his commandments he expects his people to follow.

ISRAEL 1991 - While President George H W Bush was at the Madrid Peace Conference pushing them to break up Jerusalem, the same day his personal home was being damaged by a freak storm. ~ October 31, 1991: Rare Halloween storm appeared to be God's judgement on America for breaking up Israel. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God doesn't command anything.

if God did, you would have no choice, if it was truly God

whatever makes these commandments is not God, God needs nothing and if God had desires they would already be filled as soon as they arose

that is how it is

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The proof is the demolished remains of the three cities are identical in nature.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

only if you ignore the proof

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the results miraculously look exactly like the napalm.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2000 feet up in the air - somewhat mollifies the effects by the time it hits the ground - cube law and all as well as some little convection effect

ISRAEL 1991 - While President George H W Bush was at the Madrid Peace Conference pushing them to break up Jerusalem, the same day his personal home was being damaged by a freak storm. ~ October 31, 1991: Rare Halloween storm appeared to be God's judgement on America for breaking up Israel. by In-the-clouds in history

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"George and Barbara Bush look over the damaged remains of their bedroom at Walker’s Point in November 1991. Their house was damaged by a storm surge on October 30." That was the same day the Madrid Peace Conference began to push Israel to divide their land. image

"I could not believe the devastation," said the president

baltimoresun.com

ISRAEL 1991 - While President George H W Bush was at the Madrid Peace Conference pushing them to break up Jerusalem, the same day his personal home was being damaged by a freak storm. ~ October 31, 1991: Rare Halloween storm appeared to be God's judgement on America for breaking up Israel. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it wrong to be critical? We should be critical when we see crimes being committed by any nation.... critical in a way that leads to repentance. But to divide the land and to be critical are two different things.

What if Louis XVI of France, had been executed in exactly the same way as Robert-François Damiens, the man who had tried to assassinate his father, Louis XV? by jerryk in history

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a very interesting question indeed, actually. Because Israel seems very, very reluctant to launch a full scale invasion of Gaza. It think they're afraid to, actually.

Protesting in the "land of the free".... Maybe he didn't like being roughed up. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think we can all thank John Hinckley Jr. for this...

What if Louis XVI of France, had been executed in exactly the same way as Robert-François Damiens, the man who had tried to assassinate his father, Louis XV? by jerryk in history

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think history prety clearly teaches us that it would have vastly reduced support for the French Revolutionaries. Torturing Louis XVI to death would have handed a massive propaganda victory to the royalists.

Historically, people don't think "We don't want to mess with these lunatics." They think "these savages have shown us exactly why they must be exterminated."

Just consider this question: when Hamas attacked and butchered thousands of innocent civilians on a single day, did Israel think "Fuck, we should think twice about attempting to mess with these lunatics"?

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A super bomb would have an epicenter and a blast radius centered at the detonation site. Exploding in the air won't change this, except the wouldn't be a blast crater.

Neither of the alleged nuke bombings had any evidence of an epicenter.

They look exactly like firebombed Tokyo.

Everything burned except concrete structures, bridges, and telephone poles.

The nukes were a psyop.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A-bomb airburst was at 2000 feet altitude.

You can be unanimous in your opinion Mrs Slocombe

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was no noticable nuke blast epicenter in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

The wooden homes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki burned exactly like the wooden homes in Tokyo. Because the method of destruction was the same.

Nothing was nuked by any aerial super blast.

All three were firebombed.

Firebombing didn't end the war.

The invasion by Russia forced the Japanese to surrender, because the soviets steal occupied land.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=firebombing%20of%20tokyo%20images&addon=brave

the non-wood buildings are more intact - most of the hiroshima buildings were girders as the airburst created a massive compression wave from above

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The nukes were hoaxes.

Japan surrendered when Russia invaded.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So what? That doesn't change anything about the nuke hoax.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]GuyWhite 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, the nuke was horrendous. But when you consider the number of allies that would have died taking that island, nuking those little yellow bastards into oblivion wasn’t so bad.

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that's one of the reasons they decided to drop the A bomb, fire bombing was so deadly they would have ended up killing millions before the end of the war.

However they didn't realise that with nukes you don't just get a big blast you also get radiation poisoning. That doesn't just kill you (cooks you from the inside out for days or weeks after the bomb) by if you survive makes your more likely to suffer from every type of cancer and even comes through in the next generation. This is why I think nukes should be treated at biological warfare

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

During WWII B-29s adopted revised bombing techniques to low altitude nighttime incendiary raids. To mark the target and start appliance fires B-29 Pathfinders flew ahead of the main strike force. The Pathfinders dropped M47 burster-Igniter Napalm filled Incendiary bombs. This video will review the mechanics and usage of these bomb during the March 9, 1945 Tokyo Firebomb raid, Operation Meetinghouse II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78cYu7Bdj9s

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima (Youtube short). Unsettling. There's a longer version of the full mission if you look in the description. by Chipit in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Atomic bombing is interesting.

Here's a link to photographs of Tokyo after it was firebombed.

https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=firebombing%20of%20tokyo%20images&addon=brave

There's should be an obvious difference in appearance between Tokyo vs. Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

They all look firebombed to me.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is?

The Kugelpanzer, The World's Weirdest Tank by SidMeyer in history

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldnt call a armored motorcycle-like thing a "Tank"

Old Swedish S-Tank - that was pretty weird

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=swedish+s-tank&qpvt=Swedish+S-Tank&form=IGRE&first=1

The Kugelpanzer, The World's Weirdest Tank by SidMeyer in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WW2 krauts did all kinds of weird shit. Get over it.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not.

Historical reference to Yasser Arafat is conspicuously absent from every Hamas article. Israel created Hamas as an internal opposition group to unity under Arafat by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

arafat was also too anti israel. Israel tried to bribe hamas, huge mistake. The time for being nice like that is over.

This is like in USA when the govt has bent over backwards to help the blm terrorists and it has not worked.

Historical reference to Yasser Arafat is conspicuously absent from every Hamas article. Israel created Hamas as an internal opposition group to unity under Arafat by Tom_Bombadil in history

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Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s.

Straight from the governor of Gaza.

Excellent find. +3
Thanks for including this comment.

Historical reference to Yasser Arafat is conspicuously absent from every Hamas article. Israel created Hamas as an internal opposition group to unity under Arafat by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]doginventer 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It | the intercept  https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/   This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)   “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”   “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

Historical reference to Yasser Arafat is conspicuously absent from every Hamas article. Israel created Hamas as an internal opposition group to unity under Arafat by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yasser fucking Arafat was a greasy looking sum bitch who you just wanted to slap the shit out of for being so fucking ugly.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/msnbc/Components/Photos/041027/041027_arafat_hmed.jpg

Historical reference to Yasser Arafat is conspicuously absent from every Hamas article. Israel created Hamas as an internal opposition group to unity under Arafat by Tom_Bombadil in history

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A 2017 article from Al Jazeera. It's whitewashed and mainstream, but it's better than any of the recent articles.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/10/12/hamas-and-fatah-how-are-the-two-groups-different/

The day Paradise looked like Hell.... Paradise, California burned in 2018 by a mysterious fire that chose to destroy houses and cars, while ignoring many of the trees. [This webpage includes a video interview of one of the residents.] by In-the-clouds in history

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All that remains of Paradise, Kentucky are some ruins, a cemetery, and a misleading name. It's ironic that these places with positive-sounding names are now corrupt.... A sign of the times.

Another example: Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love, and the church named in the book of Revelation that enjoys a good promise from the Lord. But the city built by men has fallen so far away from the Lord.

The day Paradise looked like Hell.... Paradise, California burned in 2018 by a mysterious fire that chose to destroy houses and cars, while ignoring many of the trees. [This webpage includes a video interview of one of the residents.] by In-the-clouds in history

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are multiple places called by the same name: Paradise. Kentucky has a city named that, as you showed. The post I made above is about the city in California by the same name. And there is another.... where Jesus said the repentant thief would go after his death.

And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luke 23:42-43

A forest fire that forgot to burn the trees.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Almost as if trees are actually full of water and have evolved over millions of years to survive fires. Some species have even evolve to drop their seeds after a fire so their offspring can get a first chance to grow in the cleared areas.

A forest fire that forgot to burn the trees.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

more like Chinese space heaters

A forest fire that forgot to burn the trees.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US should build European style houses with stones instead of dry wood.

A forest fire that forgot to burn the trees.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chinese space lasers?

The day Paradise looked like Hell.... Paradise, California burned in 2018 by a mysterious fire that chose to destroy houses and cars, while ignoring many of the trees. [This webpage includes a video interview of one of the residents.] by In-the-clouds in history

[–]bumblebeesong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The area was often described as a lush, grassy paradise, with crystal clean water, good fishing and thriving plants and animals. Laying along the riverbanks, both kids and adults would stare off into the sky, imagining figures in the clouds. Under the moon, it became a romantic… paradise.

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/kentucky/ghost-town-ky/

John Prine wrote about Muhlenberg Counties being full of life, love and light until the end of the 1950s. His song, "Paradise" has been redone by the likes of John Denver, Dwight Yoakam, Tom T Hall, The Country Gentlemen and Lynn Anderson. All these celebrity singers praised the little town of Paradise in Muhlenberg County, and the tragedy that took it away. Paradise got creepy, and Prine attributed the demise of the community to the Peabody Company and strip mining in the area. However, the town did remain intact for a while after the Pittsburg and Midway Coal Mining Company drained the surrounding area of coal. Unfortunately, the quality of life for residents met with a rapid decline during that time.

Then the Paradise Fossil Plants were built and started raining ash and debris down upon the remaining citizens of Paradise.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think I agree with you. The Jews did accept at least one proposal. I think I am most partial to the argument that since there are many Arab states that the existence of one Jewish state would make sense and an argument could be made that it's good for humanity to keep some Jews around for genetic diversity (and historically, they have been quite good at winning Nobel Prizes (I'd love to see scientifically proven whether if when you correct for wealth Jews are still smarter than Arabs)).

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no reason for Palestinians to leave their homeland.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're not making a reasonable counter-argument with this word salad of clichés. And I won't respond to the off-topic nonsense about kicking out Jews or Arab invasions &c. You can read my other responses here in the thread if you are genuinely curious about my opinions.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. It seems you are considering one or more of three different conflicts, after which Gaza and the West Bank retained their borders, with the help of Egypt and Jordan, among other nations.

The 'plan' was not related only to the UN, but to several international bodies, and there were several plans drawn up by these bodies, all of which recognizing most of the 1949 Gaza and West Bank boundaries, though Israel occupied these territories in 1967.

Agreements in 1949 and 1967 are very briefly summarized here, along with some of the violations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements

Attempts at peace talks thereafter are briefly summarized here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords#Framework_for_Peace_in_the_Middle_East

In all early treaties, the Gaza and West Bank borders were agreed, whereas removing Egypt and Jordan control was the initial main concern for Israel. After the removal of Egypt, Jordan and Syria (Labanon) influence from Israel's borders via treaties, Israel's focus has been to remove Palestinians. (Israel also used the US to remove Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and others as threats, at GREAT cost to the US.

My point is: Israel continued to violate agreements regarding the treatment of Palestinians within Gaza and the West Bank. To your point, when Israel occupied these territories in 1967, there was still the international agreement that Israel would not remove the Palestinians from those territories, or this would have prolonged tensions with Israel's neighbours, and especially with Egypt and Jordan. Gaza and West Bank remained Palestinian at that point, though they were occupied. Those territories were not the de facto property of Israel, or they would have had the rights to remove the residents. Indeed, Israel would use those territories as 'controlled opposition' in order to get $$$$$$$ billions in free military "aid" from the US to deal with those meanies, killing an average of several hundred innocent Palestinians each year.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"A lovely bundle of the usual arguments..." Or as most people like to call it, History. Seriously, this was a great breakdown of the history of the area and you throw that out for a political objective. Face the facts, Arab countries have tried to invade and wipe Israel off the map multiple times in the last century and they got their asses beat every time. To the victor go the spoils. And what's your alternative? Kick out all Jews from Israel and give it to the arabs? How does that jibe with history? By your logic, might as well give it back to the Turks. The Ottomans were the last official owners before the arabs or Israelis.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it says the Palestinians were offered states and turned them down every time.

You have to accept a promise for it to follow through.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just conveniently leave out the fact that the Palestinians and all the other Arab countries rejected the UN plan to give them the West Bank and Gaza in favour of taking the land via combat (they lost).

How can you own land from a failed treaty never agreed to and turned down? That makes no sense.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]cunninglingus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lovely bundle of the usual arguments for a nation of Israel. The easily question is answered by the British giving that territory to form a nation of Israel. All of the earler history doesn't matter. Land belongs to whomever takes it. Posession is 9/10ths of the law. Palestinians were given Gaza and the West Bank, also by international agreement. They OWN that land, according to the same agreement that gave Israel their land. Israel has repeatedly violated the original international agreement that divided the land, by TAKING Palestinian land and property. Those who refuse to honour the original international agreement are deciding to help Israel remove and genocide Palestinians. The ENTIRE region of Palestine is NOT Israel's. But Israel is in the slow process of taking it, with the help of corrupt people, while these Western groups also destabilize the middle east. The shadow costs have been non-stop wars in the region since 1948, wars that will continue, with severe consequences for all of us.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this is propaganda, it's the best I have ever seen. It seems academically written. The analysis isn't complete, however. The article states that at some point promises were made for the creation of states. So, I'd say that a good way to resolve the problem is to figure out how big the land for those promises was and to just make Gaza bigger by replacing the sea with land and then potentially move some assets. An alternative is to take the countries that made those promises and make them pay (by e.g. giving parts of the UK to the Israelis).

It's assholes all the way down.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They already have a large part of the population

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

😮

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]TheMaharishi 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We get all the people living there anyway when they become refugees. So if we get the land. They can stay there?

Storyville: The New Orleans Red Light District by ruperttaylor in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

New Orleans Ladies - LE ROUX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOy8sDnzk88

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

After they nuke it send in the Haitians.

Who Can Claim the Palestine Region? by jet199 in history

[–]Zommy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Give it to Sweden.

Phosphorous in war.... by In-the-clouds in history

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

incendiary bombs don't destroy stone buildings like this FYI

Hamas are not like the Nazis by jet199 in history

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both sides are terrible people with no compassion or life and have been at war for as long as we have written history. Why are any of you defending ANY of these people? It's kinda like Ukraine, which was one of the most corrupt countries on earth that also committed atrocities, but suddenly it is all hands on board to support them when they get attacked? I am quite sure no one else wants dead innocent.... but don't forget that these were very bad people too. Would you stick up for murderers when other murderers attack them?

Wish there was a way to take out the innocent and leave the others, but there is not.

Obama and Fauci: COVID shots are free for children. Remember, then-president Trump gave pharmaceutical companies billions and billions and pushed the injections through the FDA for "Emergency Use". They all worked together to make it free (but it cost so much). [video] by In-the-clouds in history

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You have not answered my question, and this is a text based conversation. You are being intentionally evasive. As you do not wish to confront the truth.

Woman who authenticated Barack Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash in 2013 after it was speculated that the Hawaii certificate was a forgery. Loretta Fuddy was the only one to die. All the other people on the plane survived. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]wlh0242 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes and Obama’s Chef just “Accidentally” drowned…..while paddle-boarding lol.

Woman who authenticated Barack Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash in 2013 after it was speculated that the Hawaii certificate was a forgery. Loretta Fuddy was the only one to die. All the other people on the plane survived. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]RapeMyMouth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. The video of her being pulled down is an analysis of that video. Mr he river and being pulled down is in that video.

Woman who authenticated Barack Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash in 2013 after it was speculated that the Hawaii certificate was a forgery. Loretta Fuddy was the only one to die. All the other people on the plane survived. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]RapeMyMouth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know. I don’t really know the capability of the CIA.

I’m not sure if I believe this conspiracy.

That is the video though.

Woman who authenticated Barack Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash in 2013 after it was speculated that the Hawaii certificate was a forgery. Loretta Fuddy was the only one to die. All the other people on the plane survived. by In-the-clouds in history

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see what you mean. Yes, it looks like she survived the initial plane crash, but died later at the scene of the crash. And the diver that was trying to save her.... or was he trying to save.... who was he!?