Modern Politics - Kvetching For Nuclear War

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[–]Richard_Parker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I hate Hitler mostly bc he lost world war ii.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

He is the man most responsible for the destruction of Western civilization. WW2 and the German atrocities committed during it permanently discredited nationalism and racialism in the west and opened the door to liberalism.

People simply became fed up with all the wars and atrocities and gave into American globohomo liberalism.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Germans were fucking saints compared to what the allies did to the world during the war and in the decades after. Their atrocities aren't what discredited nationalism and racialism, it's the propaganda of the victors that did. Slavs are probably the worst hit of all whites by the Germans and yet they have way more developed NS groups than anywhere in the west. It's not just NATO nazis either, look at the leader of the Wagner group with his SS tattoos

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He is the man most responsible for the destruction of Western civilization.

Jews and especially the central banking families hold that title.

German atrocities committed during it permanently

'Atrocities' are common during war and the German military conducted itself honorable compared to most armies in history. Most 'German military atrocity' porn is stirred up by western media that was bought off by central banking. Media is an extension of the central banking cartel. If your nation rejects central banking fiat it's targeted for destruction. I'm curious what you would have done in Germany's position?

it permanently discredited nationalism and racialism in the west and opened the door to liberalism.

Nationalism and racialism is discredited because of liberal propaganda. The wars were a convenient way to accelerate anti nationalism. In fact I'm convinced the war was orchestrated as a structured breaking down of European nationalism.

People simply became fed up with all the wars and atrocities and gave into American globohomo liberalism.

If you oppose globohomo liberalism than why take a position against a leader that attempted to expel it from Europe while it was still in its development stages? Hitler didn't really want to kill Europeans, Americans or Slavs. He simply realized that you had to stand your ground.

You realize the argument you're making could be made against Putin right? Why are you supporting a 'tyrant' that's killing civilized whites in Ukraine?

Hitler's own scatter-brain contributed to the failure as instead of devoting Germany's limited resources to a few important projects, he went for a variety of failed wunderwaffe: Stealth Bombers, Maus tanks, railguns and so on.

Still better to dig in and fight than simply allow evil to take over your nation. I'm fine with you arguing that Hitler was a terrible general. That might be true. To then say Hitler is the most responsible for the destruction of western civilization? That's a specious conclusion.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I disagree there. Us treaty of Versailles created him. Britain could have gone and should have gone with Halifax.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hitler didn't need to invade Poland.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

France and Britain did not need to Dow on Germany, not did they did need to carve out Danzig....

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hitler was trying to turn Poland into a client state of Germany, but those plans fell by the wayside after the British gave them a guarantee. At this point, the Polish became much more aggressive towards the Germans and began openly clamoring for war. Knowing that they had the support of Britain (and France), they refused to negotiate over Danzig. That was when Hitler began preparing for an invasion of Poland. He believed (mistakenly) that he could conquer them without the risk of igniting a continental war.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Poland wanted an alliance with Germany was but was laughed off at first. Hitler then aggressively pushed for the Danzig. The British took the opportunity and gave the guarantee to Poland. True, Poland took advantage of that, but Germany didn't need to invade Poland. It could've taken Poland out of the British camp with an alliance: It could take Lithuania and would receive Belarus and other west Ukrainian territories after a war with the Soviets.

Germany would take the rest of Ukraine, the Kuban, and the Caucasus. If he had Poland on his side, he'd have a 35-million strong nation with him. Poland could've provided him with 3 million extra soldiers for the war. Instead, in our timeline, it cost him troops and nearly 300,000 German troops had to be wasted occupying Poland.

In any case, if he truly wanted peace, he should not have invaded Poland. Danzig was simply not worth it. The real issue was that Hitler wanted to conquer Russia and gain control of its oil and agricultural resources and attain autarky.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Britain could have gone and should have gone with Halifax.

Indeed. The Germans actually offered very generous terms to the British. Despite what pop history says, Hitler never asked for a surrender: He only asked for an armistice. If the British public had been told about the details, they would have put pressure on their leadership to accept the proposals. But as it was, the truth was kept hidden from them by a deceptive media.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There were legit reasons for them to not sign a peace with Hitler. The thing is if Germany consolidated control over Western Europe, it would gain access to all the industrial and intellectual capital of that huge region. It would be unstoppable 20 years down the line and Britain being a small island would be incapable of stopping it in the future.

Hell, Germany could've defeated Britain in 1940-41 if it had the right industrial and strategic policy.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't want to hear it. It's pretty clear UK made the wrong choice. Read Churchill Hitler and Unnecessary War.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure. It made the wrong choice. I'm just saying that there was some rationale behind it.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And now all of Europe will die.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No the great depression did. The Nazi's were on their last legs from the 1928 election results.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928_German_federal_election

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The various factors that gave Hitler a somewhat weak mandate were already baked in the cake. The absurdity of hyper inflation, borrowing money from American to lay back war reparations, which paid back loans Britain and France took from Us were causal factors of the Great Depression.