Modern Politics - Kvetching For Nuclear War

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[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I disagree there. Us treaty of Versailles created him. Britain could have gone and should have gone with Halifax.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hitler didn't need to invade Poland.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

France and Britain did not need to Dow on Germany, not did they did need to carve out Danzig....

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hitler was trying to turn Poland into a client state of Germany, but those plans fell by the wayside after the British gave them a guarantee. At this point, the Polish became much more aggressive towards the Germans and began openly clamoring for war. Knowing that they had the support of Britain (and France), they refused to negotiate over Danzig. That was when Hitler began preparing for an invasion of Poland. He believed (mistakenly) that he could conquer them without the risk of igniting a continental war.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Poland wanted an alliance with Germany was but was laughed off at first. Hitler then aggressively pushed for the Danzig. The British took the opportunity and gave the guarantee to Poland. True, Poland took advantage of that, but Germany didn't need to invade Poland. It could've taken Poland out of the British camp with an alliance: It could take Lithuania and would receive Belarus and other west Ukrainian territories after a war with the Soviets.

Germany would take the rest of Ukraine, the Kuban, and the Caucasus. If he had Poland on his side, he'd have a 35-million strong nation with him. Poland could've provided him with 3 million extra soldiers for the war. Instead, in our timeline, it cost him troops and nearly 300,000 German troops had to be wasted occupying Poland.

In any case, if he truly wanted peace, he should not have invaded Poland. Danzig was simply not worth it. The real issue was that Hitler wanted to conquer Russia and gain control of its oil and agricultural resources and attain autarky.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Britain could have gone and should have gone with Halifax.

Indeed. The Germans actually offered very generous terms to the British. Despite what pop history says, Hitler never asked for a surrender: He only asked for an armistice. If the British public had been told about the details, they would have put pressure on their leadership to accept the proposals. But as it was, the truth was kept hidden from them by a deceptive media.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There were legit reasons for them to not sign a peace with Hitler. The thing is if Germany consolidated control over Western Europe, it would gain access to all the industrial and intellectual capital of that huge region. It would be unstoppable 20 years down the line and Britain being a small island would be incapable of stopping it in the future.

Hell, Germany could've defeated Britain in 1940-41 if it had the right industrial and strategic policy.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't want to hear it. It's pretty clear UK made the wrong choice. Read Churchill Hitler and Unnecessary War.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure. It made the wrong choice. I'm just saying that there was some rationale behind it.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And now all of Europe will die.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No the great depression did. The Nazi's were on their last legs from the 1928 election results.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928_German_federal_election

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The various factors that gave Hitler a somewhat weak mandate were already baked in the cake. The absurdity of hyper inflation, borrowing money from American to lay back war reparations, which paid back loans Britain and France took from Us were causal factors of the Great Depression.