Anti-vaxxers only victory. Non-white countries are cancelling flights to the West.

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You literally type an entire paragraph just to say Covid vaccines wont work because the Elites wont let it happen and you use that as evidence for why it's somehow different from all previous vaccination campaigns.

It's annoying having to deal with conspiracy after conspiracy that always end up contradicting themselves in the end.

[–]TheJamesRocket 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You literally type an entire paragraph just to say Covid vaccines wont work because the Elites wont let it happen

Wrong again. I explained to you the reasons why the vaccine can never end the 'pandemic.' That remains true regardless of whether or not there is a conspiracy.

It's annoying having to deal with conspiracy after conspiracy that always end up contradicting themselves in the end.

Nope. They are separate theorys which stand on their own merit, but which mutually reinforce each other. The vaccines don't work, and the pandemic is a scam. Deal with it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

No, I'm not falling for this sorry.

Vaccinations were already proven to work last year. Deaths dropped and the majority of all new ICU cases came from the unvaccinated.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8230051/covid-vaccine-hospitalization-risk-ontario/

When these facts were known, my government had a responsibility to enforce tougher restrictions on the unvaccinated. But instead, my Premier (Doug Ford) had foolishly delayed rolling out vaccination passports at the last minute. Couple this with local cities refusing to crack down on illegal indoor gatherings and we've returned to square one.

And at a federal level, the government also failed to ban all international flights, which is how the virus first arrived in the country to begin with.

The two go hand in hand. Citizens MUST be vaccinated to help eliminate it, and foreigners must also be banned from entering a different country unless they quarantine for two weeks or more.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

why not get boosted then

[–]88BitSorelianism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He clearly doesn't trust the science.

[–]TheJamesRocket 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

No, I'm not falling for this sorry.

What a luxury it is, to ignore facts that contradict your story.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, that is a fact. It is a leaky vaccine, and it loses efficiency after several months. That is also a fact. Oh, and as for the hospitalisation numbers, you might want to look at these:

In Germany, 95% of the omicron infections were among the fully vaccinated.

In the United Kingdom, 83% of the covid deaths were among the fully vaccinated.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, that is a fact.

Don't show me links after the virus has mutated. I showed proof last year that only the unvaccinated had made up the majority of new cases in Ontario.

The government was given a chance to keep it that way but the Premier had sat on rolling out passports at the last minute, in addition to the federal government refusing to stop international air travel into Canada.

This is why it's dangerous to let these antivax sympathizers anywhere close to power. The majority of Ontarians had overwhelming supported enacting the mandates and life itself would have been back to normal. But the government sat it out too long and erased all progress we've made.

On a positive side, this year is the election for Premier, and vaccinated Canadians could easily vote in a more radical government that wont be so kind to antivax. The silly back and forth jokes have gone on long enough, especially as our healthcare system can only handle so much now.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't show me links after the virus has mutated.

LOL. You might just as well be saying: ''Don't show me links that disprove my argument!''

Oh, and just an FYI, but the UK data doesn't even cover the omicron variant. It was published before that outbreak.

I showed proof last year that only the unvaccinated had made up the majority of new cases in Ontario.

Unfortunately for your case, this is a global pandemic. There are more regions of the world than just Ontario. You have to look at all the evidence, not just those that support your story.

The majority of Ontarians had overwhelming supported enacting the mandates and life itself would have been back to normal.

No, it would not. Vaccines do not stop the transmission of the coronavirus. It is a glorified placebo. Vaccine mandates would not have ended the pandemic. Especially not when the virus keeps mutating.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Just like the relation between IQ & Success, you should never let the entire world decide local decision making, as there's only a very few countries I consider respectable or good role models. And yes, that goes for the UK as well.

Boris Johnson is an idiot, just like Trump & Bolsonaro were. It's actually very reasonable to understand why their nations are suffering, but the vaccines themselves are still important. Any head of state that only has a kindergarten understanding of science will muck things up quickly.

My country directly borders the United States and just because they've failed harder to control the pandemic, has no relevance to how Canada handles our own affairs. If anything, it's our motivation to not be like them and do better.

On a federal level, our Prime Minister was never antivax or conspiracy theorist, and to his credit, we avoided the worst case scenarios that a "do nothing approach" would have destroyed us.

Where I live, our Premier has allied himself with antivax and the results have been disasters that could have been avoided. If both Provincial and Federal governments were on the same page and pushed the mandates, we would have been in the same spot as Japan or Taiwan and returned to normal.

Instead, the back and forth in-fighting between Trudeau (pro-science) and Doug Ford (against) has pushed our hospitals over the edge, and many people have been laid off from their jobs again.

It's getting tiring having to listen to one side make up the craziest excuses for their actions, when most Ontarians have made it clear that we support the vaccines and want the vocal minority to shut up.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Get off your soapbox. If you can't make an honest response, then stop replying. No one cares about your political banter.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Get off your soapbox. If you can't make an honest response, then stop replying. No one cares about your political banter.

Lol, where do you think you are? I'm here to argue that the fringe covid conspiracists have obstructed how the majority of vaccinated Canadians want to resume their life.

These facts were once again demonstrated last year, when only the antivax were being flown in across the country and taking over hospital beds.

Because they failed the test, the federal government has a responsibility to stop them from doing any more damage.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My local government has also compiled a 12 month report.

The unvaccinated were always disproportionately representing new Covid cases and hospitalization.

https://files.catbox.moe/4dzm95.png

Source: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?la=en

There really isn't much more to say at this point, other than the anger at the antivax is more than justified.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I showed proof last year that only the unvaccinated had made up the majority of new cases in Ontario.

LMFAO! this guy links, "Regime approved data," to disprove others' comments. What a joke!

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad my country's research makes you seethe. That's the entire point of nationalism.

99% of the world is utter trash, with a few exceptions. I'm only interested in helping my nation first, while also sealing off the borders to outsiders.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How much did you get paid to make this stupid comment?