An honest question to the pro-vax people on this sub, why do you trust the state on the vaccine issue?

Markimus · 2021-09-11T07:04:29+00:00

I'd just like to hear their rationalization for getting the vaccine or supporting the vaccine mandate.

I don't do either of these things but I do criticise the anti-vax stuff. The reason why is because none of the arguments make sense, it's all bog standard crazy schizo shit just substituting in 'Covid' and 'vax' around the usual format of the 'NWO genociding everyone apart from 500 million' theory.

If you guys just say you don't want to get it because you don't think it's had sufficient testing (true), you're young and healthy (I hope it's true), you're scared of needles (is prolly true for a lot of people) etc I wouldn't say a thing. I just have an issue against lunatic tier conspiracies about how the elites are trying to genocide everyone who supports them, starting with the jews, for reasons that have absolutely no coherence. Also nobody's theories align and everybody's theories constantly change, so they don't even align with themselves and are constantly proven wrong then they just make up a new theory.

Remember at first it was the bioweapon to wipe out humanity, then all of a sudden it didn't exist and was actually a conspiracy of every single government, along with everyone who works in medicine and hospitals etc in the entire world. Then all of a sudden the vaccine became the bioweapon. Then when the vaccine's death rate wasn't sufficient for that narrative I was told this is just a trial run to make people obedient to take vaccines to prepare people for the real bioweapon that's coming in the future. The other theory is that this is a slow-drip poison that is going to kill people over the long run, convenient unfalsifiable narrative.

Can you guys not see how obviously stupid this all is? Just don't take the vax if you don't want it. Conspiratard shit is gay.

disidentHR · 2021-09-11T09:53:58+00:00

I haven't seen a good reason not to take it. Vaccines rolled out well over a year, and obviously there is no dying on a mass scale and people don't get paralyzed or infertile or something. Every single anti-vax stuff I saw is pure fearmongering.

Just count on top of your head how many people have died of covid vs how many people have died of vaccine side effects (or if you want to expand, how many people have had severe symptoms of covid vs how many people have had severe side effects of the vaccine).

I didn't counter-signal 5G stuff that much because I do believe all cellular networks have harmful long-term effects on humans, I just don't see how the vaccine could have some long-term effects.

Blackbrownfreestuff · 2021-09-11T15:46:54+00:00

1 - I think the vaccine itself is mostly harmless. Millions of jews have taken it and most are fine. My issue is what comes with and after the vaccine.

2 - The vaccination initiative will come with a digital passport that you will have to scan in order to do anything in life. The conditions to have a valid passport will be decided by our jewish overlords.

3 - Everyone in the world could get the vaxx today and we still aren't going back to normal. Tho goal posts will shift again.

4 - The vaccine is unnecessary for most people. Old people should get a clean traditional vaxx like sinopharm. Everyone else should just get covid, just like how we all got chicken pox as a kid before the chicken pox vaccine. I got covid and now I have a natural immunity.

5 - The vaccine is being used to expand the police state and I don't think thats schizo posting because Israel, Canada, and new york are already experimenting with QR code passports.

FoxySDT · 2021-09-11T08:26:20+00:00

I am vaccinated though I wouldn't call myself pro-vax nor do I criticize those who are not. I trust the vaccine because I saw no good reason not to. I don't buy the idea that the elites are reducing the population, if anything, they want there to be more of us so they could have more workers. If anyone has any other arguments against the vaccine I would like to hear them.

YJaewedwqewq · 2021-09-11T14:52:08+00:00

I would definitely say the vax is some sort of op, but a lot of the stuff about it is schizo circlejerking. I'm more inclined to believe that it is partially/mostly another "this mostly untested drug is safe, goy" moneymaking scheme.

The issue here is mostly that a lot of the anti-vax (or anti covid vax specifically) say that it is untested. The issue with this isn't that it isn't untrue, it's that it implies that any modern medicine is made in good faith or with actual, rigorous testing.

A lot of modern medicine works just enough to do something while bringing you a bunch of side effects and addiction to net the pharma companies big bucks. Look at Oxy or other opioids; they didn't transmogrify your DNA or make you magnetic, what they did was far less direct but no less sinister: they turn you into an addict.

A lot of this "testing" and FDA approval is "Bobo the chimp didn't burst into flames after taking our pill, so I guess it's safe".

And besides, if you don't trust the government or pharma companies, why on earth would you trust the FDA anyway? If you drink tap water, or eat half the shit on store shelves, you're almost certainly pumping the same or equally harmful chemicals into your body already.

I think it makes WAY more sense to be looking at the long term effects governmentally speaking. Look at the lockdowns and shit. This was never about vaccines, really, it was about the never ending lockdown and the absolute compliance and social engineering.

outrageousboote · 2021-09-11T07:03:22+00:00

I've seen a lot of posters here supporting the vaccination and criticizing those who oppose it

Really? Maybe I'm not here much, the only people on the dissident right I know who do this are Hunter Wallace and Ted Sallis.

In my opinion, unlike the aforementioned individuals, I think that skepticism of both covid numbers/stories and the necessity of vaccines/lockdowns is justified but people go off the deep end, go full retard and say that everyone who is vaccinated will die or that Coronavirus isn't even real.

Ethnocrat · 2021-09-11T14:24:58+00:00

I see no reason not to trust it.

Richard_Parker · 2021-09-11T17:23:32+00:00

I sense this may be implicitly alluding to me among any others.

First, I am not pro-vax. Nor am I anti-vax, certainly not for tried and true vaccines that have been around for decades.

As I already stated, I was coerced in getting the vaccine, just to go to the gym. I weighed the risks and downsides of relenting versus holding out, and decided that relenting gave me the best chance of the most optimal outcome.

I do not like it, but assessing the political support locally and which the courts are blowing, I see little practicality in resisting further. The direction the courts are going, combined with supreme court precedent, are most damning. If there is a political mandate for compulsory vaccines, our legal system will not protect you.

I do not think there are microchips in the vaccine, nor do I think this is some sort devious Jonestown murder suicide plot where people who are vaccinated are going to drop dead.

I am very worried about the degree to which this opens for tighter government control, but that is the risk that would necessarily be presumed in a pandemic.

None of this of course warrants this level of hysteria. The lockdowns, mask mandates, all of this shit will have wound hurting/killing a lot more people. I am worried there may be a depression or economic calmaity on par with the 30s. But, if you had a pandemic that killed say ten percent or higher, this sort of government action would then be necessary.

Concerning the vaccine itself, whether or not to take it is a personal choice. If I were older or at a high risk group, I would have taken it voluntarily. I think those who are more vulnerable to Covid should take it. But since natural immunity is also the best, people less vulnerable should NOT be forced to take it, and as my own decisions ndicates, that was my choice until my arm was twisted.

Risk of side effects are real. If the media is sweeping this under the rug, we would likely have no way of knowing to what extent. Long term side effects are also a concern, but not as much I do not think. This is because coronavirus is not entirely a new disease. I understand that mRNA is new vaccine technology which gives me pause. In the end I am not a doctor or a disease expert so I am at the mercy of what I read, hear, and see.

It also gives me pause that Biden exempted members of Congress from the mandate. If I had known that on Wednesday I would have more squeamish about this.

It has been three days and so far nothing. This comports with others experiences. My woman though became very tired about four hours after, then had about a day of mild fever. Same thing happened second time around but the fever lasted half a day, this is contrary from advisories stating second dose likely worse. Given that i also had Covid, I was expecting the same, which supposedly is typical for people with prior infection. That was one of the things that I resented most. Not getting the vaccine presented pretty much zero chance of sickness, whereas I was convinced getting the jab would probably make me sick for one day after each vaccination.

While I think the reaction overall to Covid has been completely insane, I do not think it is just the flu. It is certainly real, both myself and my lady had. She was sick for 11-12 days. There is a wide range of reactions to this as we all know. Some people barely feel anything, others are pretty sick for a short time, others worse.

Being old, fat, diabetic etc certainly puts one under the cross hairs, but then you have things like Oscar de la Hoya requiring hospitalization. Whether that is an embellishment, psy-op etc I have no idea.

Popper · 2021-09-11T19:18:51+00:00

they give you the shot into the muscle of your arm, not into a vein. Why is this, the vaccine is not supposed to go into your bloodstream. If it does, that is when it causes heart problems and clots. Pretty obvious to me. You do have veins in your upper arm of course so it can get in there. I think they should have some other way of administering it so it doesn't get into the blood stream. But they want to let untrained clerks working at drugstores to give the shot, probably to make it easier. Only highly trained infectious disease doctors should give the shot IMO.

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