South Africa going ape, perhaps there is hope for a white secession there

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I'm worried that there will be new refugee stream towards Europe. Taliban reconquering Afghanistan, 10 million close to starvation in Yemen and Lebanon on the brink of economic collapse.

The US on the other hand faces hordes from Haiti and Cuba.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm worried that there will be new refugee stream towards Europe.

The EU elites know they can't just let them in this time.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A new refugee crisis would play into the hands of the far right partys in Europe. It would put them back in business again.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

If we get millions of new immigrants into already collapsing liberal US cities is might be the push we need to balkanize the country.

I'm cool with China getting more aggressive. Maybe a war with china will also help balkanize us. I can't imagine a lot of young white men wanting to fight and die for another pointless white genocide war for international banksters.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

we need to balkanize the country.

I really don't see any mechanism. The GOP is part of the establishment. They won't declare any secession, not even on the county level. A group of angry men would just be rounded up by the police and FBI. There's no mechanism for secession. No organization, party or even a list of demands.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I really don't see any mechanism.

There's already enough bureaucracy in each state (in the form of state and local governments) to form individual countries. Obviously there are lots of big problems and questions with balkanization but since there are white people that like building and defending things the white controlled areas are going to do just fine and I could give a shit about the none white areas. Non white areas of the US will eventually become Haiti and will be taken back over by whites after population collapse from lack of food, water and resources.

I think what's important to understand is that a HUGE portion of the united states is living hand to mouth and have totally lost the ability to survive independently or in a farming community. Something like 900k slaves died after the civil war because they couldn't feed themselves without slave owners. At least a 1/4 to half of the US population will probably be the same way and that will include some white people.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Something like 900k slaves died after the civil war because they couldn't feed themselves without slave owners.

Did that happen because they legit couldn't grow food or did the Southern states refuse to give them land? Did they starve because they simply had nowhere to go after the union burned down Southern estates and infrastructure en masse?

Sure, there's bureaucracy, i'm just saying there needs to be some political organization to use that power or officially declare secession. Either a local party controlling the county/state or people's councils. For example, the Soviet union dissolved because the component SSRs like Belarus and Ukraine declared independence from Moscow.

In Austria-Hungary, the Hungarian parliament declared their union with Austria void and split off from the empire. The Czechs did the same.

The only path I see something like that happening in the US is if local white people's councils form and one takes over the local government in a county or a small state and declared independence. It would require radical and bold people and a local population that radically wants this.

The US government would however declare them terrorists and send the cops and national guard to round them up.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did that happen because they legit couldn't grow food or did the Southern states refuse to give them land?

Probably a bit of both but many had freed relatives in the cities and places they could have gone to survive yet couldn't because they were basically incapable of living without oversite.

Did they starve because they simply had nowhere to go after the union burned down Southern estates and infrastructure en masse?

Obviously I think this was a factor as well but again I don't think it's the bulk of the deaths.

Sure, there's bureaucracy, i'm just saying there needs to be some political organization to use that power or officially declare secession.

We're blocked* from forming those political bodies now but I think they will pop up really quickly when the totalitarian neo liberal order is overwhelmed from fighting on so many fronts. We already see factions of the republican party openly in defiance against liberal cities and states over gun rights. The same thing can happen for secession in general.

The only path I see something like that happening in the US is if local white people's councils form and one takes over the local government in a county or a small state and declared independence.

Agreed. We'd have to do a lot of work at the local level. That's why whites getting out of big cities and into smaller areas where they can gain a total monopoly on the political apparatus is the first step and I can tell you personally that's already happening in many parts of the US.

It would require radical and bold people and a local population that radically wants this.

Everytime the local police locks up white men and women for simply complaining about LGBT indoctrination in schools it creates thousands of people starting to look at dissident ideas with fresh eyes. I'm sure you say that white pill thread posted yesterday. That talks about some of these things going on. It's just hard to speak in more concrete terms about these things because we have to keep op sec at a high level. Doxxing is just going to get worse and worse as the system crumbles.

The US government would however declare them terrorists and send the cops and national guard to round them up.

They are already prepping to do this and we are seeing some standoffs already. Look into the Bundy rancher situation. I think they are going to be actively standing down in many cases though because they like to 'control' these situations so they can create a false flag media incident. You don't here about the stand down incidents because they don't get publicized but they are occurring.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/11/standoff-ends-peacefully-with-instagramer-whiskey_warrior_556/

*partially blocked. National Justice Party is a real party with a real platform.

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and that will include some white people.

A shitload of them. Modern civilization depends on industrial food production. Most people don't have enough land to sustain themselves and their families even if they knew how.

From seed to harvest you're looking at at least 3 months afaik, so people would need supplies or survival skills good enough to last them that time also.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

into already collapsing liberal US cities

That's not where they'll put them, they'll be moved, at taxpayer expense, into the Whitest communities they can find.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think they will try to do that and that's why some type of proto balkanization needs to take place where local mayors and if possible governors resist these forced diversity laws. Most immigrants want to go to liberal cities where they get handout not rural areas with no support and no family.