Question for those who are becoming whitepilled

submitted by AngusMacCuckywuck from (self.debatealtright)

I've seen a lot of white nationalists and dissident right people say that there has been a huge rise in white identitarianism in recent years, that more normies are waking up and that things are becoming polarized on both sides. It is certainly true that the "great awokening" has led to the increasing salience of racial issues and destroyed the post-racial, "end of history" centrist neolib/neocon consensus that dominated in the 1990s and 2000s, while sparking a right-wing backlash that has made more whites willing to think in racial terms. There is only one problem: this rise in "counter-wokeness" and white identitarianism has overwhelmingly been among old people who are too old to reproduce, will die off soon and do not represent the future.

As America and especially white America becomes polarized between "wokes" and "anti-wokes", young white people ovewhelmingly back the woke side. Any look at the demographics of Antifa and BLM, vs. the demographics of ANY right-wing group show this. There is a minority of young whites who are anti-woke, but they are almost exclusively sexually frustrated males, and "incels" who will not reproduce. 99% of young white women are woke, which almost guarantees that Chads who are successful with women will be woke as well. And that means that with the right-wing boomers dying off, and young whites who reproduce (women and Chads) being almost exclusively left-wing which guarantees the next generation will be completely left-wing, the generational replacement will kill off any "white identitarianism" that may be temporarily rising.

Do you think there is any way you can solve this problem, or even still be whitepilled when you take these trends into consideration?

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think Hunter Wallace has pretty good polling data over at occidental dissent showing the rise in populism and more identitarian forms of right wing ideas is coming from younger Republicans. It's actually the older ones who are still Reaganite/free market boosters. Also the 'all non woke youngsters are incels' bit is getting old. It's just a myth pushed by our enemies. Also this myth that all of a sudden everyone will be left wing because the youth is that way inclined is an idea the left has been pushing for decades. It's bs. People change and grow up. What percentage of crap do you still believe that you did when you were 16?

Nice demoralisation post though. Name is a particularly nice touch. 8/10.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also this myth that all of a sudden everyone will be left wing because the youth is that way inclined is an idea the left has been pushing for decades. It's bs. People change and grow up.

I have to disagree with this.

If we believe genes carry immutable characteristics that affects everything ranging from; eye color, height, violence tendencies and even intelligence, then why is it hard to believe that our own politics are also part of this process?

Being Left-wing since birth is not such an impossible concept. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau. All major leaders or politicians who never once told themselves "Maybe I shouldn't be on this team?" for as long as they were alive.

And we still have beliefs from when we are 16 years old. Maybe someone likes cars or motorcycles, or they're really into science, or maybe they always had criminal tendencies.

If there's someone who wants to abandon Liberalism for Conservativism when they got older, then chances are they never really were in that camp. Because making such a switch also requires you to have a stance on major issues like Capitalism vs Socialism, Free healthcare vs Private, Climate Change, Feminism etc.

And vice versa is also a true.

A Conservative person who suddenly has feelings for BlackLivesMatter and wants to give Blacks all your money, never understood what the "Conserve" part is suppose to mean.

So yes, I believe if we see a lot young White Liberals today, and they're all screaming "diversity is the future" while living in some dystopian neighborhood where Tyrone cucks his girlfriend every night, then the window for shifting political beliefs is getting smaller.

Look at South Africa. Look at Brazil. Plenty of White Liberals still live in those countries and are even prepared to fight you if you dare suggest they try and fix their nations by examining race.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

0.4 correlation last time I checked in terms of heritability for political opinions. Definitely somewhat fixed but hardly immutable.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Bro really? Just that Gen Z GOP are super "liberal" regarding race. Like https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/psdt_1-17-19_generations-22/

or is Pew poll fake news here?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What the hell does this have to do with my post?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What? Isn't this Pew poll opposite to your claim that genz gop is super based??

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where did I say 'genz gop' is super based? I said that contra the claim in the original post the identitarian shift in right wing circles isn't coming from the old and dying as the OP claimed it's, according to data I've seen at over at OD, coming from younger Republicans.

Has nothing to do with what percentage of Republicans think Blacks are treated unfairly and both can be true at the same time.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

young white people ovewhelmingly back the woke side

This is obviously not true. Even according to NBC, 42% of white Gen Zers and Millennials voted for Trump in 2020 versus 50%/48% for Biden. Given the source, that should be taken as a lower bound.

Any look at the demographics of Antifa and BLM, vs. the demographics of ANY right-wing group show this.

Not true. Look at groups like Patriot Front, National Justice Party, Groyper Army, Generation Identity, Patriotic Alternative, and other European nationalist movements. These are the rightwing counterparts to BLM and Antifa. The Alt-Right as a whole is dominated by under-40s.

they are almost exclusively sexually frustrated males, and "incels" who will not reproduce. 99% of young white women are woke

Both ridiculously untrue statements meant to demoralize.

The truth is that the Right outbreeds the Left, and the further right you go, the higher the birthrate. The main way white Leftism is able to sustain itself multi-generationally is through the education system and media propaganda, and this is now being taken from them as the Right starts to homeschool more and puts an emphasis on teaching their children their true values from birth (something white rightwing parents weren't doing in the past 40 years), and as the Legacy Media continues to go extinct.

As our countries become less white, the persecution of whites will get worse and more whites will be forced to live around non-whites, which will cause the vast majority of whites to be redpilled on race and start advocating for their own interests.

[–]AngusMacCuckywuck[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Both ridiculously untrue statements meant to demoralize.

Neither of those is "ridiculously untrue". At worst, I was making a hyperbolic exaggeration, but mostly in tune with reality.

For instance, "99% of young white women are woke", is somewhat of an exaggeration. Some are apolitical. But I will note that this is partly because young white women are effectively excluded from all right-wing spaces, which guarantees they have to be woke because only the woke accept them. Most normie conservative groups are complete boomerfests with no appeal to any young people, and most youth-oriented alt-right groups either officially disallow women (Proud Boys, Patriot Front, Daily Stormer forums) or are so hostile to women as to effectively disallow them (/pol/, Nick "No E-girls, NEVER!" Fuentes' Groyper Army). Even if some young white women harbor "based" views, there isn't any "based" group where they would be welcome.

And with almost all young white women being on the left, that effectively prevents right-wing men from having any relationship with them. In other words, right-wing young men almost by definition have to be incels, even if some of them may be natural Chads.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

young white women are effectively excluded from all right-wing spaces

Not true at all. You seem to have a strawman view of the Right, and you're stubbornly holding on to it regardless of all of the information being presented to you. There are many young white women in both the cuckservative right and the Alt-Right. Patriotic Alternative, TRS fans, the National Justice Party, No White Guilt's fans, the White Art Collective, etc.; these are all filled with lots of young white women. White women are most attracted to strong, masculine, healthy white men, which is why they're drawn to men of the Alt-Right. I suggest you go talk to women of the Alt-Right to find out why they're a part of it.

[–]AngusMacCuckywuck[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I see no evidence for any of this. The online alt-right is like 99.9% men (mostly autistic men) by my own observation. The only female white nationalists I ever encounter are WN 1.0 boomers.

It's understandable, since a huge percentage of the alt-right express attitudes like this: https://8kun.top/pnd/res/245623.html#245965

As you can see, about half the comments in that thread are expressing similar sentiments. Even if the other half aren't, what woman would want anything to do with a movement where half of the people involved believe that kind of thing?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The only female white nationalists I ever encounter are WN 1.0 boomers.

Have you tried being handsome and charming? There's a lot more girls than you think, you're just not attractive to them.

[–]AngusMacCuckywuck[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting that you didn't even comment on the link I posted. Again, what woman would want anything to do with a movement where half of people (even if it is "only" half; it's probably actually a majority) agree with the kind of sentiments expressed there?

Maybe female white nationalists exist in Belarus or something but not the the US/UK/Canada.

Can you tell me what you gain from refusing to even acknowledge the problem? You will never solve it by pretending it doesn't exist.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The main way white Leftism is able to sustain itself multi-generationally is through the education system and media propaganda

Exactly. Liberals reproduce asexually, through control of educational institutions. They take conservative children and brainwash them into becoming shitlib NPCs.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is only one problem: this rise in "counter-wokeness" and white identitarianism has overwhelmingly been among old people who are too old to reproduce, will die off soon and do not represent the future.

Nope it's millenials and zoomers, hence we dominated the internet in 2015-2017 so hard jews started censoring literally every website. Hence the existence of this shithole and the existence of your job for the JIDF/ADL/SPLC as a low tier demoralisation shill. Nice try!

[–]AngusMacCuckywuck[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm talking about normie anti-wokeness, not some fringe group of Extremely Online trolls. I acknowledged and addressed that group in my post:

There is a minority of young whites who are anti-woke, but they are almost exclusively sexually frustrated males, and "incels" who will not reproduce. 99% of young white women are woke, which almost guarantees that Chads who are successful with women will be woke as well.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

cope more kikeshill

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You've provided no evidence for your claims.

Many of your points are common shill demoralization and disinformation points.

Make sure you read the rules on the sidebar carefully. If these really are your political positions (and not just positions you're paid to promote) you need to defend them in good faith with logic and evidence. It would also help if you provide some general background on yourself and tell us how you came to these views.

For example where is your proof that only left wing people are reproducing? Edward Dutton has done a lot of research on this and shown that it's exactly the opposite. Left wing western people have some of the lowest rates or fertility and reproduction in the world.

If you are trying to trigger us by saying that 'conservatives' are dying you haven't studied the dissident right much. We dislike conservatives as much as we dislike leftists. As soon as the boomer conservatives are gone we can get busy exposing, defunding, prosecuting and if necessary removing people like you from society.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

and if necessary removing people like you from society.

So anyone who doesn't share your unrealistic optimism and opinions is a shill and demoralizer?

Somebody cited that 42% of white Gen Zers and Millennials voted for Trump in 2020. That doesn't mean they're not anti-racists who support white erasure. One study years ago said only ~10% of whites agree with alt-right. Altright groups are tiny and confined to small corners of the internet, and they don't have many women. Young people are still being raised on anti-racist propaganda and there's nothing to challenge that domination. White South Africans are still cucks even as a small minority.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So anyone who doesn't share your unrealistic optimism and opinions is a shill and demoralizer?

Lol. I don't get accused of being optimistic very often.

One study years ago said only ~10% of whites agree with alt-right.

Ok. Your point? Is that number small to you? You do realize the revolutionary war was only fought with 3% of the colonial population right? Arguing about how big or small the alt right is a bit of a fruitless task. Any institution large enough to conduct such a study would be heavily biased. People aren't going to answer those types of political questions honestly anyway. A better way to estimate how big we are is to look at how many whites are starting to ignore mainstream media, sports and politics. The bulk of those people didn't just stop staying informed they are just getting their information from other places. They didn't stop loving fitness and competition they just realized it was bread and circuses. They realized is was about mammon and negro worship. They are finding other outlets.

Altright groups are tiny and confined to small corners of the internet, and they don't have many women

Again. There's really no good way to prove this either way so it's not worth the argument at this juncture.

and they don't have many women

Lol. This is a left wing cope. Which says a lot more about the left then it does us. Imagine being so obsessed with trim that you judge random internet strangers based on it. When has this really mattered in political movements? Accusing the other side of not getting laid is just pure projection of ones own values.

Young people are still being raised on anti-racist propaganda and there's nothing to challenge that domination

Except the fact it's not working anymore. The dissident right is a testament to the failure of the neo liberal order to maintain it's psychological edge.

White South Africans are still cucks even as a small minority.

They kind of have to be. They are only 8% of the population and the entire world (except for maybe Russia) would attack and try to kill them if they stood up for themselves. 'Cucking' is also a strong word. They are simply entrenched. They live in compounds and move around with security guards. Cucking is giving up and help the other side to eradicate your own people. They wouldn't be forming groups and stashing guns if they were 'cucking'. You've over simplified and misrepresented the south African situation. What's weird is you don't seem to really be making a point. You just seem intent on demoralizing people that might not know the facts on the ground. That won't work here on DAR.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whites are still getting their information from anti-racist sources like Infowars, so it doesn't awaken anyone to racial reality and doesn't grow the alt-right much. They are still led to believe that democrats, RINOs and globalists are the real problems.

I can't speak much on South Africa and I could be wrong but all South Africans I've talked to have been egalitarians. They're not fleeing to Orania en masse even though they could.

[–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

99% of young white women are woke, which almost guarantees that Chads who are successful with women will be woke as well

Most of the men who are 'woke' are very soft and effeminate. They are not physically attractive or masculine. Most women are not interested in these sort of men, certainly not for a one night stand.

Chad isn't getting the gurls because hes woke, hes getting the girls because hes chad thundercock. Nuff' said.

Where did you get the idea that the chads are talking politics with the girls they are pumping and dumping?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People are also extremely malleable. If COVID has taught us anything it is that people can believe in multiple contradicting ideas at the same time or flip flop on ideas at a few weeks notice. This means nothing is set in stone and although the media is in the hands of the enemy it doesn't mean everything is hopeless. People are losing trust in the media and critical race theory is now in the forefront of the public consciousness. More White people are suggesting home schooling and becoming more conscious of their consumption. People that are growing up less socialized into the anti-White ideology will be more sympathetic to our views. If communism failed, surely this regime will also crumble from its contradictions with reality.

Probably the main issues that need to be tackled is:

  • Political organization

  • Reliable funding

  • Communities and job networking. Imagine if we had our own rotary club for instance. Sponsoring used to help families, purchase businesses in a local White community, etc.

  • We need to reclaim and rebuilt our ancestral culture. The media is able to demonize us because they focus on members complaining about non whites. Instead we just need to just affirm a positive world view and have the moral certainty to enforce it upon others. they can't easily lock people up for inciting violence if we are just building communities and helping each other out. They will try to inflict penalties using anti-White civil rights laws but if the group becomes large enough it isn't going to work in the long run. Success comes once we built the communities because they are what creates strong and robust political organizations. It is hard to entrap a organization when people are part of the same community.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Provide hope and life. All who deny it are of death.

This is why the sarcasm and irony of the liberalistic "right-wing" media only propagate their own destruction: it is the last refuge of the dying sons of bitches who have no life, no hope, and nothing constructive to say. That's why it's so important for any serious discussion to be made taboo and censored. Hope lives in truth.

Also, women follow the group. Polling their opinion only shows what they're likely to do at that moment, not what they are.

[–]CarlDungCrypto-fascist and eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Always the sun.

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