The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes - one can locate these probems with both parties, but the only way to challenge the trends set in motion during the Regan Admin is to elect anyone who will support bills that help the 99%. The Republicans won't do it. They'll only do what McConnell tells them to do. Joe Manchin is easily bought, as we've seen. The filibuster is anti-democratic. And regarding Europe, most of those people have a happier standard of living thanks to universal healthcare, social programs, less crime, more opportunities for upward social mobility, diversity, environmental regulations, inexpensive education (free in some countries), long periods for holiday/vacations, a living wage, fewer guns, more disposible income, less debt, reliable government retirement options, etc. etc. (If you've been to Europe, you've seen some of this.) Not that it's ideal - regarding taxes - but it's better than in the US, where there is rising income inequality, poverty, mass shootings, no reliable healthcare, very expensive education, corporate control of everything, etc. etc. The only reliable approaches to Republican absues are currently arranged by Democrats (jobs bill, voting rights bill - though Republicans killed it, environmental regulations, etc.).

You've not mentioned any solutions. If you think Republicans or Libertarians will help you, think again.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yes - one can locate these probems with both parties, but the only way to challenge the trends set in motion during the Regan Admin is to elect anyone who will support bills that help the 99%. The Republicans won't do it. They'll only do what McConnell tells them to do. Joe Manchin is easily bought, as we've seen. The filibuster is anti-democratic.

Ok and? Criticizing the Democrats is not advocating for Republicans. You just ignored that the Democrats themselves are the ones who cut off "progressives"/social democrats at the knees and went right back to to complaining about Republicans. That's propaganda working on you. If you don't have the intelligence to see that there's really no point in continuing.

And regarding Europe, most of those people have a happier standard of living thanks to universal healthcare, social programs, less crime, more opportunities for upward social mobility, diversity, environmental regulations, inexpensive education (free in some countries), long periods for holiday/vacations, a living wage, fewer guns, more disposible income, less debt, reliable government retirement options, etc. etc. (If you've been to Europe, you've seen some of this.)

And? It's still a dying, demographically collapsing place where they are being replaced en masse with near Eastern immigrants. The proles situation is more comfortable but that doesn't fix any fundamental problems with Western society, it's just better on average standard of living than the US. The alt right isn't interested in creating a slightly better social democracy, it's interested in self preservation of white societies.

You've not mentioned any solutions. If you think Republicans or Libertarians will help you, think again.

I don't, nor have I ever voted for Republicans, I'm economically a socialist. My solutions are not your solutions because the extent of what your interested in appears to just be social democracy, which we already have many examples of in Europe. They fail utterly in the goals the alt right is interested in. You seem to think you're debating moderate Republicans or something. People on the "alt right" have already rejected entirely the liberal establishment.

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Criticizing the Democrats is not advocating for Republicans.

I am not implying this.

You just ignored that the Democrats themselves are the ones who cut off "progressives"/social democrats at the knees and went right back to to complaining about Republicans.

No - because this didn't happen.

That's propaganda working on you. If you don't have the intelligence to see that there's really no point in continuing.

So now we're at the bottom of the pyramid. How weak of you.

It's still a dying, demographically collapsing place where they are being replaced en masse with near Eastern immigrants.

Simply not true. Stick with the facts. Not that Europe is not facing problems.

it's just better on average standard of living than the US.

Yes

The alt right isn't interested in creating a slightly better social democracy, it's interested in self preservation of white societies.

And this will fail miserably, if attempted.

You've not mentioned any solutions. If you think Republicans or Libertarians will help you, think again.

...My solutions are not your solutions because the extent of what your interested in appears to just be social democracy...

You've still not mentioned any solutions. It's really unfortunate that most people on Saidit will refuse to mention their ideas for political solutions. DAR should be a place where users are not afraid to mention their solutions. You mention the "self preservation of white societies," which one can expect can be arranged with a kind of aparthied or even genocide system. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Simply not true. Stick with the facts. Not that Europe is not facing problems.

The fact is that every Euro country is well below replacement level in fertility, doubly so just counting actual native Europeans. All of them are facing long term demographic problems and ethnic and cultural replacement. What are you claiming is not true?

You've still not mentioned any solutions. It's really unfortunate that most people on Saidit will refuse to mention their ideas for political solutions. DAR should be a place where users are not afraid to mention their solutions. You mention the "self preservation of white societies," which one can expect can be arranged with a kind of aparthied or even genocide system. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

I don't see why you bother asking for solutions when you reject out of hand that purpose the ideology itself. Nationalization of all major industry, expropriation of all businesses over a hundred people, elimination of parasitic industries (i.e. advertising, most of finance), destruction of liberal academic culture, re socialization of white men and women to re orient them towards a healthy and positive self image, promotion of family formation through economic and propaganda means, development of the welfare state (with qualifications), and most importantly an end to immigration and incentivization for non whites to either emigrate or develop their own ethno states.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thank you very much for this.

Regarding the EU fertility rate, this is easily located - at 1.53 in 2019: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210323-2

I don't see why you bother asking for solutions when you reject out of hand that purpose the ideology itself.

This is not clear. I offer solutions. Others can offer solutions.

Regarding this:

Nationalization of all major industry, expropriation of all businesses over a hundred people, elimination of parasitic industries (i.e. advertising, most of finance), destruction of liberal academic culture, re socialization of white men and women to re orient them towards a healthy and positive self image, promotion of family formation through economic and propaganda means, development of the welfare state (with qualifications), and most importantly an end to immigration and incentivization for non whites to either emigrate or develop their own ethno states.

Have you studied the history of statecraft? This is very interesting to see on DAR - as it's a cross between German National Socialism and Soviet Communism in the 1930s. It's spot-on. I've seen pieces of this from other Saiditors, but not the whole group. Now that you've kindly provided this, I hope you won't mind if I 'debate' the issue. Essentially, all of this is part of an authoritarian government. When I ask for practical solutions, I refer specifically to solutions that can be arranged in the US democratically. Is there a scenario in which a demographically elected US government would try any of these approaches? If so, how would those people be elected? Which political affiliation would be required? There are some Republicans who talk like this, and are running for office. Are you thinking of them? Of course you don't have to answer any of these questions.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Regarding the EU fertility rate, this is easily located - at 1.53

Right - this is well below replacement level and only reaches 1.53 because of non euro immigrants higher birthrate. The reality of current demographic trends is minority majority in a couple of generations in a lot of Euro countries and then finally the disappearance of non miscegenated whites in a few more.

When I ask for practical solutions, I refer specifically to solutions that can be arranged in the US democratically

Democracy in the US only extends as far as which of the liberals you're allowed to vote for. Even moderate leftism (ala Sanders) is completely unpalatable to the establishment, that's why he was openly denied the primary. Even someone like Trump who was thoroughly in the liberal camp economically was almost removed from democratically elected office by coup attempts of the intelligence agencies ("Russia gate") for threatening the flow of immigration and the MIC projects overseas.

You can only vote for who the oligarchs allow period. There's not point in discussing some radical changes needed for self preservation of say, the white working class, because they won't allow it.

Is there a scenario in which a demographically elected US government would try any of these approaches?

No

There are some Republicans who talk like this, and are running for office. Are you thinking of them?

No. Keep trying to own the rethuglicans or whatever.

Of course you don't have to answer any of these questions.

Keep sucking liberal reformist cock, maybe your betters will be generous enough to deign a slight expansion of medicaid for obese minorities in their 30's or some such, in line with the many other great triumphs of reformism.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That person is a Israeli shill

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep sucking liberal reformist cock

So you admit that you cannot think of any practical approaches to democratic solutions?

So you want a non-democratic solution? For example, are you in favor of a violent revolution of some sort? If so, how can it happen?

My main point - in the original question and again above and here - do you know of any practical solutions in the US that will allow you to get what you want in politics?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A lot of the things you say there at the end are great, but none of it will ever come to pass through voting in a sham election. People have to go grassroots in their own communities, which might actually produce tangible results.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree