The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax

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Read this and prepare to be disgusted by the shameless greed of the American plutocrats. A country where the infrastructure is literally on the verge of collapse. This is peak liberalism.

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In 2011, a year in which his wealth held roughly steady at $18 billion, Bezos filed a tax return reporting he lost money — his income that year was more than offset by investment losses. What’s more, because, according to the tax law, he made so little, he even claimed and received a $4,000 tax credit for his children.

When I read this part I wanted to throw up. These parasites are using the state as their own personal fat whore to suck dry. This is worse than communism. How much of a degenerate do you have to be to do this? I would much rather live in a dictatorship where the man in charge leads a lavish lifestyle because at least you know he's the sovereign.

Article:

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

IMO there are 5 big things killing the United States

  1. Low white birth rates

  2. Low quality, low iq, low trust, non white immigrants that are told not to assimilate (and genetically really can't anyway).

  3. Plutocrats avoiding taxes in multiple ways. (thus creating a new feudal class international in their alliances)

  4. Graft and corruption in government programs and infrastructure spending. The entire political class and most of the business class are just pure parasites and they all need removed.

  5. Rise of the spiteful mutants and anti white anti natal academics, culture, art and sentiment. (very related to number 1)

(There are obviously a LOT more but those are some of the biggest. It's almost like the only way to fix all this is with a detailed 25 point program...)

We are essentially in the middle of a collapsing empire.

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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Can East Asians assimilate

    Well they certainly can't assimilate when the dominate cultural tells new immigrants that whites are evil and you're evil too if you want to act white when you arrive in Europe or the US. So basically the cultural controllers are telling new immigrants, "it's cool if you come here but you need to be thankful we brought you here by destroying white culture when you arrive" and asians are not above that. Asians get just as involved in anti white critical theory as any other immigrant group.

    Beyond that though yes I will give you some concessions and say that some non islamic Asians can partially assimilate among whites and some latinos can assimilate under the right conditions. I'm using a lose definition of assimilate here. Even a small number of Indians can assimilate. That doesn't mean I want massive amounts of asians, latinos, or indians living side by side with whites.

    Being white is more than just skin color, eyes, height, iq, etc. It's thousands of traits, dispositions, spiritual affinities, frames of mind, creative impulses, unique empathies, Faustian drives, etc. etc. etc. In fact if I controlled a white ethnostate I'd probably have certain zones that protected different white ethnicities. I.e. I wouldn't allow millions of Irish to flood the slavic zone or italian zone and destroy their unique genetic expression. All white genetic expressions deserve protection and a place to flourish and prosper. The only white expressions that should not flourish and prosper are those that have turned on the white race as a whole and parasite off it and wish to destroy it. So there are some people out there that call Jews genetically white. If true, I do believe there is a point you can revoke your race and must live alone outside the race because you are so hostile too it. Jews fit that situation; especially if they are found out to be designing and promoting a sterilizing vaccine to billions of innocent people.

    [–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    All of them.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Is it not possible that he did lose money that year? Just because he has a lot of wealth does not mean that he has a high income.

    I am sure that just staying high wealth is a challenge in itself. Wealthy families will gang up on you to try to take you down in a various of ways.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Please stop. Bezos has the entire American government and its institutions on his side.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    So does other wealthy families.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Yes, and that's the problem.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    And they compete with each other.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    To a degree. How much of that competition is planned and staged? How much of it is safely allowed, and how much of it occurs over actual perceived differences?

    A consolidation of power is happening right now. When it is over, the whole argument of "elites competing together" will become much more clear. These fuckers hide behind every race, every industry. It's hard to tell who is in the upper ranks, and who is just a mover and a shaker.

    [–]DisgustResponse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yep, I'd like to see his net taxes paid over a 10-year span. A single year doesn't mean shit.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (75 children)

    An excellent article.

    If we are to actually "debate the alt right," the elephant in the room is the extent to which the Republican party (and occasional democrats) have made this increasing wealth for the 1% happen. Vote the old Republicans out of office and try new politicians. Attempts to tax the 1% and limit their power - as in the recent voting rights bill that was filibustered to death by Republicans - are normally arranged by the Democrats. That's the only party that can help the 99% at the moment, and they're stopped with corrupt practices by the right-wing politicians. Fuck everyting about these right-wing, greedy assholes. Will this do for part of the debate?

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (49 children)

    What are you smoking? We've always attacked the GOP establishment. Do you even know what the "Alt" in Alt-Right stands for? And the Dems are just as corrupt. You sound like a DNC hack.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

    The alt right who do not vote for one of the two leading parties are definitely supporting Republicans, and the other alt right will ONLY vote Republican. Everyone in the alt right support Republicans, and especially alt right Republicans. No one in the alt right would ever support a Democrat. Those who think they are not supporting Republicans when they're alt right are wrong.

    If it's not clear who the alt right support, read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    I do not "support" the Republican party by not voting. Tons of Americans do not vote, and will never vote. We do it for a myriad of reasons, and we aid nobody in doing so.

    You aid them every time you take part in one of their scripted events. You give it legitimacy and accept it's authority, assuming that you have done good. It's moral grandstanding, and it's gross, socks.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    I do not "support" the Republican party by not voting.

    You did when Trump was elected in 2016.

    You aid them every time you take part in one of their scripted events.

    Democracy is not a scripted event. That's another right wing myth, in order to reduce voter numbers. If you are anti-democracy, you are supporting the Republicans, right wing, alt right, authoritarians, the 1%, all at the expense of the 99%.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    The US is not a democracy.

    I did not help Trumpet into office. Your logic is flawed and based off of false information. You helped get Trump into office by giving credence to a system that is corrupted from the top down.

    Edit: u/socks The US is more of a pay-to-play oligarchy than anything else. People who have been involved in politics like me know this.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Yes - pay-to-play oligarchy

    No - it is a democracy (the voting rights bill would have helped, but was filibustered by Repuglicans)

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Do you not realize what pay to play means?

    If you think you understand, then you should fucking wisen up. Money wins, not people. The Democrats and the republicans can bury any third party under their sponsors.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    It's not so simple. And as with your previous comments, you are here to complain, not to mention reliable solutions. When you want to discuss reliable solutions, let me know.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I could say the same to you. Your "solutions" are to support the Democratic Party. It's asinine. You're arguments for why we should support the Dems are one-dimensional. They don't actually support the 99%, members of the 1% have their hands in the Democratic Party and the Republican Part and most third parties. You don't actually offer any solution except to vote in their scripted events. Just so you don't get me wrong, this election isn't the first one to have fraud in it. There is fraud every election, it is always reported, such as dead people voting and votes going wrong. Sometimes it gets dealt with, but it never gets fully investigated. No one goes to jail for this shit, the votes just get fixed, if they get fixed at all. This is provable, and my Government teacher talked about it, and I decided that you'd have to be equivalent to a human ostrich to vote for one of these yahoo parties.

    I mean, seriously. Then you say I complain? It's complaining if no action is being taken. You don't know me, nor do you understand the situation the world is in right now. Things are changing, for everybody. You aren't going to like the camp you've chosen, neither are the Republicans. You both support pedophilic thieves.

    [–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

    Okay, now you're admitting you're trolling.

    I suspect you're 15 years old, and spend your days believing everything you read on r/politics. No legitimate person would post a wiki link to anything political as a supposed 'source'.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    He is on an alt right sub, teaching us who we support. Imagine the amount of arrogance you have to have in order to think that you can teach the alt right about what the alt right actually believes based on a left wing source, like what? haha this is hilarious

    I get that libtards always blindly believe leftwing authorities but this is taking it to the next level.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I am not teaching you anything. If you don't already know what the alt right supports, that's on you. You've also not 'debated' anything I noted. Your response here is only at the bottom of the pyramid. Are you unable to debate simple comments? Is it too difficult fo ryou?

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I am talking to Node, not debating you.

    I am not teaching you anything.

    and yet the very next sentence is this:

    If you don't already know what the alt right supports, that's on you.

    Again revealing your arrogance. Your source is wrong. Want to know what the alt right supports?
    Ask this sub. We are the alt right, lol. You literally wont get a better source on the entire internet

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Not one argument have you produced. If you are here to debate the alt right, then debate. It's pathetic to merely respond with bottom of the pyramid nonsense constantly. If you have an argument for the initial post, make it. Otherwise, you're obviously out of your depth.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You won

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's not a game.

    The sub invites you to debate. It's not so difficult.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Again - this is at the bottom of the pyramid.

    Produce an argument and evidence, or GTFO.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Produce an argument and evidence, or acknowledge you're trolling.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Why are you fucking around? See my top comment, which I copy again below. Produce an argument or get lost.

    An excellent article.

    If we are to actually "debate the alt right," the elephant in the room is the extent to which the Republican party (and occasional democrats) have made this increasing wealth for the 1% happen. Vote the old Republicans out of office and try new politicians. Attempts to tax the 1% and limit their power - as in the recent voting rights bill that was filibustered to death by Republicans - are normally arranged by the Democrats. That's the only party that can help the 99% at the moment, and they're stopped with corrupt practices by the right-wing politicians. Fuck everyting about these right-wing, greedy assholes. Will this do for part of the debate?

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

    If it's not clear who the alt right support, read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

    Maybe you should update the article. It is clearly wrong

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

    Alt right dimwits helped write it. If any of it's wrong, alt right numbnuts will be able to change the wrong portion. That's how a wiki works. Feel free to write text for it. Also, feel free to note here what's wrong with it, rather than be so lazy as to just say it's wrong.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Alt righters can't edit wikipedia. It is a leftist website.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Obviously not true.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    It is true. I know people personally who wrote on Wikipedia for years only to find half the stuff they wrote (which was truthful, sourced, accurate) was taken down. They went to re-edit and found that within 24 hours it gets changed.

    You should change your views, or risk becoming a lemon.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    That's the famous - I know a guy - argument, often used when there isn't any reliable evidence that others can corroborate. Perhaps this is true for those people you mention. It's not likely to be true for most of the 53,671,337 pages of Wikipedia. It's also common on Saidit to merely claim that Wikipedia is liberal and unreliable, for which there is no evidence. Oversimplifying the information available to us won't help anyone.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    You can try and gaslight my experiences away, and I'll just laugh.

    Wikipedia isn't overly liberal, it's overly modern. All views that are on there are modernized and one-dimensional. We've talked about this before, and you did not have the same reaction you are having now.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    dimwites, numbnuts

    Weren't you just criticizing someone else for being low on the pyramid?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    Common adjectives are permitted if they are not personal and if they are part of a much longer argument.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    You seem like a person that enjoys reading rules and laws very closely.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    I thought I was rather kind, given what the alt right stand for and what they're trying to do. I didn't say they should burn in hell. I could have done, but that's not very nice.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    You are a paramount of virtue. It's an honor to have you grace our sub. Your wit and humor warms the cockles of our hearts. May we all eternally bask in the glo of your moral light.

    [–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The effectively two-party system in America tends to create an unfortunate rift between what one supports (i.e. in one's heart and mind) and what one votes for (i.e. in the voting booth).

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes - this is a serious problem, one that is mentioned periodically. What's important in this case is to consider the potential solutions to the 2-party system. Strategic voting in smaller districts can help. Libertarians have shown how this can work, but they are also famous for not legislating once they get a seat. They're not only useless, they help the Republicans by agreeing with everything they want. It's a ridicuoous party. At the national level, votes will only matter for candidates who are electectable. At the local level, there are 3rd party candidates who can win elections.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Its difficult to debate with you when you won't accept our opinions but say 'no you're wrong about the dissident right even though you are part of it, here's a wiki that explains why'. We are not free market boosters, we hate the republican party for its betrayal of its white voters to big business and special interests and I for one -- as well as many who post here -- are passionately against plutocrats and the iron grip they hold on society and support a ruthless policy of bringing them in line. My economic policies are closer to Huey long than any republican.

    Many times people in the alt-right might vote republican because they're the best of a lot of bad options but that's where the preference ends.

    Also you framing the issue as 'right wing bad, democrats good' is nearly as stupid, counter factual and simplistic as another creep who comes here named 'republican58' to tell us about the wonders of the GOP -- he gets shit on constantly btw on this supposedly pro GOP sub which is odd.

    Please tell me you aren't that naive and out of touch.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Thank you for offering some form of a debate.

    Your points seem to be focused on discrediting anyone who disagrees with the alt right, rather than focused on what's at issue, but there are at least arguments here.

    If you re-read my original comment, it's not a simple knee-jerk statement that 'right wing bad, democrats good'. I mentioned that one should vote our the old people and vote in new people.

    Regarding the alt right - if we want to discuss the alt right - they are far right, extremist scum who are interested in extremist far right aspects of the Republican party, and some of them are Libertarians, who are also helping Republicans.

    Here's a debate topic: name ONE redeemable characteristic of the alt right.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Your points seem to be focused on discrediting anyone who disagrees with the alt right

    Not at all. What a bizarre response.

    If you re-read my original comment, it's not a simple knee-jerk statement that 'right wing bad, democrats good'. I mentioned that one should vote our the old people and vote in new people.

    No you've stated here and elsewhere that the solution to our problems is to vote Democrat. Which, as I originally stated, is ridiculous and misguided IMO.

    Regarding the alt right - if we want to discuss the alt right - they are far right, extremist scum who are interested in extremist far right aspects of the Republican party, and some of them are Libertarians, who are also helping Republicans.

    Well I'm one of those 'extremist scum' you're talking about and as I and many others here have repeatedly stated we want nothing to do with the Republican party, despise it and the only thing that most of us ever liked about Trump -- although most of us have nothing but disdain for him now -- was that his 16 campaign was so unlike the typical Republican dross on many issues. How he governed is a different story but the original passion the Dissident Right had for him was precisely because he wasn't like most Republicans on issues like trade, immigration and foreign policy. Also as a former libertarian who now also despises that ideology again it's funny for you to lump them into the far right camp. Would be interesting to know who these alt-right/far-right libertarians are in your view.

    Here's a debate topic: name ONE redeemable characteristic of the alt right.

    How much time do you have? Obviously I'm biased being on the alt-right myself but it's a strange question anyway. Ethnic and racial self-advocacy for all people for one. We advocate for the rights of White people to collectively advocate on their own behalf and that's a great thing. Most people do and all people should be allowed to do so without being targeted by their enemies who usually say it's OK for them to collectively organize and pursue their own interests while declaring it the height of wickedness for us to do so.

    The Alt-Right also largely promotes stable and mutually beneficial relations between the sexes rather than the conflict model promoted by mainstream feminists and others.

    Most importantly to me because this has been a personal passion of mine since I was young and on the left the Alt-Right is also one of the most consistent anti-War movements in American political life. With normal Republicans and Democrats their passion for anti-war ideas seems to wax and wane depending on the administration in charge but our movement has been consistently hostile to the ridiculous, costly and destructive wars that especially America has been engaging in -- after Trump's first strike on Syria it was our guys out there protesting while people like anti-fa attacked us. I was an anti-war kid back in the Iraq days and I know many others who are the same way.

    The alt-right is also one of the only groups in American political life to openly call out Jewish power and influence which is an undeniable and potent force in American life. You can't understand how America works without understanding Jewish power and we're the only ones who do that.

    Do you want more? I could give you a hundred more?

    I'll put a question to you: name any redeemable characteristic of your own worldview.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks for this, which I think includes some good points from the alt right, some of which, as you know, I've read at Saidit. (White supremacy is however a non-starter.) For example, it's good to question corrupt practices, some of which by Zionists. And yes, there are serious problems with the leading political parties.

    But here's the rub:

    As we know from HS Civics, the state of US politics is traditionally - if democracy works - a balancing act whereby one of two (and long ago, 3) leading parties trade places for control of governance. In the event of too much control by one party, the American experiment has built into it a means by which so-called "checks and balances" can challenge a corrupt development in one aspect of government. If however the Supreme Court has a majority of right-wing political hacks, and the House and Senate can be controlled by the Republicans (via filibuster) and corporations who pay off Joe Manchin and his ilk, then what does the alt right plan to do about this?

    What Saiditors need to do is discuss solutions, rather than continue to complain, or to offer examples of who they are and what they want. If you won't vote for Democrats or Republicans (or Libertarian/Republican light), what will you do to make a make any changes in US politics. The solution at the moment is to balance political power and elect Democrats who will challenge the corrupt Republicans. (Yes, there are bad Democrats; I get it. Joe Manchin should be voted out of office, for example, for taking corporate bribes.) If there is any meaning to what the alt right want, there has to be a process whereby solutions are considered. I am not getting from Saiditors any of these solutions, only complaints.

    I am not sure why you've asked me a question about a redeemable aspect of my world view, though one answer to this question is that: I am asking for solutions, and noting that old career politicians should be voted out of office so that new politicians who will do something for the 99% will be elected. And as noted above, the ONLY way this will work in the current 'representative democracy' is for a few Democrats to be elected, so that they can pass a the voting rights bill they recently had filibustered to death by Republicans (this would have limited Citizens United and corporate control). Already, the Democrats passed a jobs bill that will put people back to work. This is redeemable. Under Trump, the previous aid bill merely put money in the pockets of the 1%. I didn't need or want a lousy $1200, which didn't really help people. Instead of throwing a handfull of dollars at poor people, the government should help with jobs, which is exactly what happened with the jobs bill. This would not have been possible in a Republican-controlled government.

    [–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    You don't know what the Alt Right is. Do more research and come back, or better yet listen to what we actually have to say.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Very low on the pyramid. This is not the place for you if you cannot debate the alt right.

    Also seems that you have no idea that the alt right are Republicans and thus support ONLY the 1% at the expense of the 99%, even if some in the alt right want to believe the propaganda that Republicans actually care about the 99%.

    [–]Node 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    the alt right are Republicans

    Out of all the things I've seen you say, that has to be one of the top 5 "most off the wall".

    The weirdest thing about the u/socks account is how sometimes it appears a real person is operating it, but other times it's like it's programmed to just say random things.

    Are you secretly a republican going for the "make dems look stupid" look? Do you have an alternate explanation for saying something that ridiculous?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Node - do you have absolutely no argument that you can make here? Give it a shot. For example, how do you know that any of my points are incorrect? Stay on the pyramid.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Give it a shot.

    It's too obvious of a troll to waste my time 'refuting' it. You're essentially claiming people in the "alt right" are jews, and jew supporters.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Are you saying that Republicans are Jews? Some are and some arn't.

    Know what a venn diagram is? The far-right assholes (circle 1) who call themselves alt right are also Republicans (circle 2) - or what they do certainy supports Republicans, even if they're too brainwashed to understand it. Also: not all Republicans are alt right retards. There are supposedly NO Democrat alt right dickheads.

    It's apparent that you cannot argue against this.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's apparent you have no understanding of the "alt right", and have zero evidence for your theories.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Still at the bottom of the pyramid this is. Are you autistic?

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    That's the only party that can help the 99% at the moment, and they're stopped with corrupt practices by the right-wing politicians.

    The Democrats are the party of capital just like Republicans are. Shifting the tax burden around to be slightly more fair and trying to patch the holes of general social failure with social spending is just liberalism, it doesn't correct any of the fundamental problems in the modern paradigm nor are Democrats willing to confront them. Their donors and bosses are capitalists who fundamentally want the system to continue as is, they may be willing to compromise to some extent (i.e. the embarrassingly anemic "Obamacare" simulacrum of socialized medicine) but they are never going to really alter the deal - that's why nothing much changes when Democrats repeatedly get legislative majorities. Liberals are stupid enough to eat up the propaganda like the "corrupt practices by right wing politicians" is what's stopping them, and not they really just don't give a shit beyond grifting for donations and emulating their betters (the liberal rich) in ideology. People like Sanders and "the squad" try to push left (or whatever their 90 iq brown girl understanding of "social democracy" is) and are ignored or in Sanders case they simply stole the nomination from him - they ultimately just end up bending the knee to the establishment anyway and mostly vote with the party.

    You cannot vote your way to some imagined social democracy where Americas problems are solved now that the wealthy pay a little more in capital gains tax - the oligarchy decides what the Democrats or Republicans do, not you.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Thank you for some form of debate, though I am not sure if this does more than merely perpetuate the myth that both parties are the same.

    But let's be more specific.

    Yes, money in politics corrupts most of the political process. This is why the voting rights bill saught to curb the power of Citizens United and the means by which politicians get bribes. The Republicans filibustered it to death. This is a danger to Democracy.

    Yes, there are Democrats who are definitely corrupt. Joe Manchin, for example, should be executed for bribary and treason, were we following much earlier laws.

    Yes, the oligarchy are bribed by corporations. The voting rights bill recently tried to curb this influence. Treasonous Republicans weren't having it.

    Both parties aren't the same. Simplifying politics doesn't help anyone.

    Which party overwhelmingly supports the 1% at the expense of the 99%? (Republicans)

    Which party try to support the 99% at the expense of the 1%? (Democrats)

    This may seem simple, but the evidence for this is in the legislation.

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    What do you think will happen if Democrats actually got what (you think) they want? The US would just look more like European social democracies. Those places are also dying, multicultural failures where the native population is being replaced and capital rules the continent. You can improve the lot of the "99%" via social democracy but it won't stop any of the larger processes that are killing Western society.

    Both parties aren't the same.

    They are both liberal establishment parties where the people you're allowed to vote for are first filtered and vetted to make sure they are acceptable to the ruling classes liberal ideology. Why do you think Sanders had his nomination crushed by the establishment? Why did Biden win despite a very poor performance in the primary debates? Why was probably the single most hated primary candidate vice president right now? Because the elite decided it was so. "Those darn Republicans have foiled our plan to protect democracy and equality" is just propaganda so that liberals will keep voting for Democrats despite the party itself pruning itself of anyone who might push in that direction. They are spitting in your face and laughing and you're lapping it up.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Yes - one can locate these probems with both parties, but the only way to challenge the trends set in motion during the Regan Admin is to elect anyone who will support bills that help the 99%. The Republicans won't do it. They'll only do what McConnell tells them to do. Joe Manchin is easily bought, as we've seen. The filibuster is anti-democratic. And regarding Europe, most of those people have a happier standard of living thanks to universal healthcare, social programs, less crime, more opportunities for upward social mobility, diversity, environmental regulations, inexpensive education (free in some countries), long periods for holiday/vacations, a living wage, fewer guns, more disposible income, less debt, reliable government retirement options, etc. etc. (If you've been to Europe, you've seen some of this.) Not that it's ideal - regarding taxes - but it's better than in the US, where there is rising income inequality, poverty, mass shootings, no reliable healthcare, very expensive education, corporate control of everything, etc. etc. The only reliable approaches to Republican absues are currently arranged by Democrats (jobs bill, voting rights bill - though Republicans killed it, environmental regulations, etc.).

    You've not mentioned any solutions. If you think Republicans or Libertarians will help you, think again.

    [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Yes - one can locate these probems with both parties, but the only way to challenge the trends set in motion during the Regan Admin is to elect anyone who will support bills that help the 99%. The Republicans won't do it. They'll only do what McConnell tells them to do. Joe Manchin is easily bought, as we've seen. The filibuster is anti-democratic.

    Ok and? Criticizing the Democrats is not advocating for Republicans. You just ignored that the Democrats themselves are the ones who cut off "progressives"/social democrats at the knees and went right back to to complaining about Republicans. That's propaganda working on you. If you don't have the intelligence to see that there's really no point in continuing.

    And regarding Europe, most of those people have a happier standard of living thanks to universal healthcare, social programs, less crime, more opportunities for upward social mobility, diversity, environmental regulations, inexpensive education (free in some countries), long periods for holiday/vacations, a living wage, fewer guns, more disposible income, less debt, reliable government retirement options, etc. etc. (If you've been to Europe, you've seen some of this.)

    And? It's still a dying, demographically collapsing place where they are being replaced en masse with near Eastern immigrants. The proles situation is more comfortable but that doesn't fix any fundamental problems with Western society, it's just better on average standard of living than the US. The alt right isn't interested in creating a slightly better social democracy, it's interested in self preservation of white societies.

    You've not mentioned any solutions. If you think Republicans or Libertarians will help you, think again.

    I don't, nor have I ever voted for Republicans, I'm economically a socialist. My solutions are not your solutions because the extent of what your interested in appears to just be social democracy, which we already have many examples of in Europe. They fail utterly in the goals the alt right is interested in. You seem to think you're debating moderate Republicans or something. People on the "alt right" have already rejected entirely the liberal establishment.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Criticizing the Democrats is not advocating for Republicans.

    I am not implying this.

    You just ignored that the Democrats themselves are the ones who cut off "progressives"/social democrats at the knees and went right back to to complaining about Republicans.

    No - because this didn't happen.

    That's propaganda working on you. If you don't have the intelligence to see that there's really no point in continuing.

    So now we're at the bottom of the pyramid. How weak of you.

    It's still a dying, demographically collapsing place where they are being replaced en masse with near Eastern immigrants.

    Simply not true. Stick with the facts. Not that Europe is not facing problems.

    it's just better on average standard of living than the US.

    Yes

    The alt right isn't interested in creating a slightly better social democracy, it's interested in self preservation of white societies.

    And this will fail miserably, if attempted.

    You've not mentioned any solutions. If you think Republicans or Libertarians will help you, think again.

    ...My solutions are not your solutions because the extent of what your interested in appears to just be social democracy...

    You've still not mentioned any solutions. It's really unfortunate that most people on Saidit will refuse to mention their ideas for political solutions. DAR should be a place where users are not afraid to mention their solutions. You mention the "self preservation of white societies," which one can expect can be arranged with a kind of aparthied or even genocide system. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Simply not true. Stick with the facts. Not that Europe is not facing problems.

    The fact is that every Euro country is well below replacement level in fertility, doubly so just counting actual native Europeans. All of them are facing long term demographic problems and ethnic and cultural replacement. What are you claiming is not true?

    You've still not mentioned any solutions. It's really unfortunate that most people on Saidit will refuse to mention their ideas for political solutions. DAR should be a place where users are not afraid to mention their solutions. You mention the "self preservation of white societies," which one can expect can be arranged with a kind of aparthied or even genocide system. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

    I don't see why you bother asking for solutions when you reject out of hand that purpose the ideology itself. Nationalization of all major industry, expropriation of all businesses over a hundred people, elimination of parasitic industries (i.e. advertising, most of finance), destruction of liberal academic culture, re socialization of white men and women to re orient them towards a healthy and positive self image, promotion of family formation through economic and propaganda means, development of the welfare state (with qualifications), and most importantly an end to immigration and incentivization for non whites to either emigrate or develop their own ethno states.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Thank you very much for this.

    Regarding the EU fertility rate, this is easily located - at 1.53 in 2019: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210323-2

    I don't see why you bother asking for solutions when you reject out of hand that purpose the ideology itself.

    This is not clear. I offer solutions. Others can offer solutions.

    Regarding this:

    Nationalization of all major industry, expropriation of all businesses over a hundred people, elimination of parasitic industries (i.e. advertising, most of finance), destruction of liberal academic culture, re socialization of white men and women to re orient them towards a healthy and positive self image, promotion of family formation through economic and propaganda means, development of the welfare state (with qualifications), and most importantly an end to immigration and incentivization for non whites to either emigrate or develop their own ethno states.

    Have you studied the history of statecraft? This is very interesting to see on DAR - as it's a cross between German National Socialism and Soviet Communism in the 1930s. It's spot-on. I've seen pieces of this from other Saiditors, but not the whole group. Now that you've kindly provided this, I hope you won't mind if I 'debate' the issue. Essentially, all of this is part of an authoritarian government. When I ask for practical solutions, I refer specifically to solutions that can be arranged in the US democratically. Is there a scenario in which a demographically elected US government would try any of these approaches? If so, how would those people be elected? Which political affiliation would be required? There are some Republicans who talk like this, and are running for office. Are you thinking of them? Of course you don't have to answer any of these questions.

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Regarding the EU fertility rate, this is easily located - at 1.53

    Right - this is well below replacement level and only reaches 1.53 because of non euro immigrants higher birthrate. The reality of current demographic trends is minority majority in a couple of generations in a lot of Euro countries and then finally the disappearance of non miscegenated whites in a few more.

    When I ask for practical solutions, I refer specifically to solutions that can be arranged in the US democratically

    Democracy in the US only extends as far as which of the liberals you're allowed to vote for. Even moderate leftism (ala Sanders) is completely unpalatable to the establishment, that's why he was openly denied the primary. Even someone like Trump who was thoroughly in the liberal camp economically was almost removed from democratically elected office by coup attempts of the intelligence agencies ("Russia gate") for threatening the flow of immigration and the MIC projects overseas.

    You can only vote for who the oligarchs allow period. There's not point in discussing some radical changes needed for self preservation of say, the white working class, because they won't allow it.

    Is there a scenario in which a demographically elected US government would try any of these approaches?

    No

    There are some Republicans who talk like this, and are running for office. Are you thinking of them?

    No. Keep trying to own the rethuglicans or whatever.

    Of course you don't have to answer any of these questions.

    Keep sucking liberal reformist cock, maybe your betters will be generous enough to deign a slight expansion of medicaid for obese minorities in their 30's or some such, in line with the many other great triumphs of reformism.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    A lot of the things you say there at the end are great, but none of it will ever come to pass through voting in a sham election. People have to go grassroots in their own communities, which might actually produce tangible results.

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree

    [–]Mistake 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Your anger is directed at the wrong target. Your anger should be directed at the tax laws. And one little hint for a happy ending; make the taxes cheaper than the loopholes.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Libertarian nonsense.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We agree on this.

    [–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    No. Our anger is directed at the scumbags. The solution is stop allowing Jews and plutocrats to control the government in the first place, Mr. Libertarian temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Your anger should potentially be directed at the self for failing to master the rules of the game you're playing.

    Ever play NOMIC? It was a game in which the entire point was to change the rules of the game. The other players would change the rules to disfavor you, and it was your responsibility to maneuver around those impediments.

    The tax game is somewhat similar. The rules change every year, or several times per year. If you're in the game, you need to remain situationally aware and agile enough to not take a hit from those changes.

    Nomic is a game created in 1982 by philosopher Peter Suber in which the rules of the game include mechanisms for the players to change those rules, usually beginning through a system of democratic voting. Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it differs from almost every other game.

    It has some resemblance to the game of politics and taxes.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    This is stupid.

    If someone spends two thousand years warring against your people, and they successfully conquer you, enslave you, assimilate you, change you, raise you to think in new ways, gives you a system which operates under these new ways, lies to you concerning "democracy" and "justice"....

    THEY ARE TO BLAME

    Edit: the fight is still happening, Node. Where is your spirit?

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm not seeing a fight. What I do see is a level of weakness and passivity among the people who are supposedly "on my side" that revolts me. My spirit is with those who would fight, but no one is fighting. Hence, I'm a party of one.

    The time to have fought is long past, and there is now no possible redemption for that failure.

    Not to say people shouldn't fight if they ever have the inclination. All I'm saying is their lives of inaction have made it clear they're not on my side, and probably not on their own side.

    There's more to be said on this topic, but I'm trying to avoid breaking that rule against advocating the viable solution.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We can talk about it without talking about it.

    There is a fight going on, it's an invisible one with visible effects. It happens every day as we take in information, as we live our lives, and as we deal with the machinations of the elite. there is a struggle, it just has not coalesced into war.

    I don't know if there are any camps or parties or sides in life right now that I'd get behind. So, I really do see where you are coming from.

    Edit: u/Node, I should make it clear that I've cut off many friendships with lukewarm "rebels" due to passivity and a willingness to live deeply into ignorance. It is revolting.

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not even cheaper. Make the tax laws easier and get rid of the exemptions, or "loopholes".

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    53 comments?!

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    57.

    [–]Touchngo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The wealthiest individuals don't have an income, they have wealth; therefor, no income tax.

    It's BS, but that is the reason. They also play a shell game of making and "losing" money to avoid taxes as well.

    The game is rigged heavily in their favor, and always will be, since it is they who make the rules.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Their income is called capital gains. Tax it!

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Also agreed.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The tax rules are little different from one of the complex war games I used to play before computers. 60 pages of small font rules, with 30 pages of charts and tables.

    You can play and win if you master the rules, or pay someone to guide your strategies. It will be far harder if you've chosen to be a wage slave, but that is a choice "most people" seem to make.

    I haven't paid attention (or money) to that bullshit in years, but they used to offer extremely helpful tax seminars that laid out specific strategies to save money, pay little to no taxes, and generally 'win the game'.

    When you choose to play a game you don't understand, your chances of winning are very small.

    Asset Protection

    That used to be the search term that would get you to the right people. Good luck.

    [–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What do you not fucking understand about unrealized capital gains? THEY ARE NOT TAXABLE BECAUSE STOCKS ARE NOT MONEY

    [–]bjam27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Using laws available to everyone.

    What a shocker!!!

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nazbol Vortex plz