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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Oh look another Jewish journalist pathologizing White anxiety. I'll pass thanks. I've read enough of those articles to last 5 life times.

Funnily enough the only reason I know about Feuer is because he wrote a big piece on The Proud Boys the other day -- of course he claimed they were White Supremacists™ -- and I watched a clip of Gavin McInnes calling him drunk and abusing him.

[–]Fonched[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This study was conducted by Robert Pape, although many like Feuer are bound to promote the conclusion. Interestingly, so many are dunking on Pape's research, complaining as to why he even believed racism wasn't what fueled the events at the Capitol.

I however have gotten some other points from these tweets: -Whites becoming a minority is revenge for racism, slavery, colonization etc. (basically any statements about Whites accepting minority status/anti-White actions they make are results of those historical factors and modern WN beliefs. They will say this in regards to us desiring self-determination, and even apply this to sentiments shared by Trump supporters) -"When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression" -Trumpism (and likeminded groups like Q and Proud Boys you have mentioned) just so happens to check all the boxes for bigotry (directly akin to Alt-Right)

I certainly would like some reactions, perspectives, or good rebuttals for those, as I am still learning new things concerning people's views to the Alt-Right. The central cpoint of this argument is that many Trump supporters/WNs are actually well-off, and that none of them can head to those belief systems by being poor but rather, solely falling for racial hatred. I would like to see some right-wing community perspectives on this study and some of these arguments.

[–]president_camacho 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression"

This pretty much sums up Jewish privilege in a nut shell. For instance its a common narrative that Jews fled the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s because they were oppressed and persecuted, but in reality their main issue was that they were no longer permitted to completely dominant Soviet institutions as they had in the past. They were still far better off on average than most people in the Soviet Union, but that wasnt good enough for them.

The central cpoint of this argument is that many Trump supporters/WNs are actually well-off, and that none of them can head to those belief systems by being poor but rather, solely falling for racial hatred.

In the case of Trump supporters they are certainly less well off than white liberals are, by a substantial margin. They arent living in dire poverty though as most of them are solidly working class and a decent percentage probably are small business owners and such, but the ones at the capital were probably mostly working class types like welders, truck drivers, skilled tradesman etc. They might make a decent living, but it requires hard work, skill and sacrificing their bodies and health. These arent liberals "working" from home and attending zoom meetings on occasion during the pandemic.

As for "WN"s, they dont even really exist, or at least their numbers are small enough to be completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It's also a loaded term. Feuer and Pape are almost certain Jewish nationalists(Zionists) who regard Jewish nationalism as completely normal and white Nationalism as pathological. Also the claims of them being motivated by "racism" are also largely just the bullshit double standard whites live under, where they are expected to be suicidally altruistic while every other race and ethnicity can be nakedly self interested and lobby openly on their behalf. Any whites that do what those other groups routinely do are called "racist", usually by disingenuous and hypocritical ethnocentric Jews or opportunistic sell outs like the ones who pump out this anti white propaganda disguised as objective reporting, or even worse concern for whites.

[–]Fellatio 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Okay

[–]president_camacho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When?

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

    They're going to have to start returning to Europe by the end of this decade if they want to preserve those numbers. Not saying this to troll, just a fact. The UK is 87% white whereas the U.S is quickly heading towards 50% or less. Neither Democrats or Republicans are also going to put the breaks on immigration, thus every year sees millions of new arrivals from India, China or Central America.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      Native Europeans can do whatever they want, because they were original inhabitants of Europe and have a much stronger relationship to the land they live on.

      But that argument doesn't work for the U.S. The country took in immigrants from all over the world and eventually made it a culture (i.e the requirements for U.S citizen got looser over time, rather than stay Anglo-Saxon Protestant). Fast forward to modern day, and the country even wants to take in large swarths of illegal immigrants with very little resistance getting in way of stopping this (i.e Trump's Wall and DACA are basically failures). White Americans have a choice right now. Stay in a sinking ship and become the next Brazil, or return to their ancestral homelands that will always be Whiter than where they actually live.

      China, India or Central America wont be a problem, when whites start coorporating across countrylines.

      European nations weren't united 100 years ago, or even thousands of years ago. There's always going to be infighting, and in particular, I don't see any rush to save a country that's on the other side of the world from them. Just look at decolonization as proof.

      [–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      Welcome to the Jewish Question.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      There are Jews in Europe but the continent will most certainly remain majority White, just because of the entrenched history and culture that says those people need to live there.

      America was always founded as a colony, that later rebelled and started crafting their own rules. Even if the goal was to make a white nation forever, the defining culture that says "yeah, but we'll absorb millions of immigrants anyway" straight up killed it. And now with the double whammy that is millions of illegal immigrants who successful crossed the border and enjoy being exploited by both sides, it's the final nail in the coffin.

      [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      I'm afraid that demographics projections tell a different story, Britain will be minority white in 46 years if things don't change and the same will happen in other european countries.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      The major difference is why and how people are immigrating to those places. The U.S has a much longer history of absorbing people from all over the world for reasons such as cheap labor, or attracting talent. It also directly borders Mexico which is a country caught up in chaos.

      Most European countries border each other, and a lot of refugees don't seem eager to move to Russia, Poland or Hungary without at least being stopped at the border. It's far more optimistic to raise a White family in Europe right now, then sticking around for any of the Ex-colonies.

      [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Dude the u.s. was 90% white in 65 and the reason the demographics changed is due to jewish subversion, the country was created by europeans for europeans, is was literally in the law that immigrants had to be europeans of good character.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      The U.S had African slaves, Chinese railroad workers, Native Americans & Mexicans from conquered territory. If the U.S really wanted to maintain some sort of ethnic homogeneity, then not expanding past the original 13 colonies and abolishing slavery right away would have been the way to go.

      But that didn't happen because the U.S had already gone into Empire mode, and sought to expand its borders into territories that where clearly non-white, while also importing more of them for cheap labor. The end result couldn't have been more obvious.

      Meanwhile, look at Iceland, Poland, Estonia and several other European countries. They have Jews but are still practically ethnostates. Although it also means none of these countries are also going to be wealthy as the USA, ethnic purity comes with a trade off. The countries that want to be super rich and welcoming were involved in diversity and imperialism at some point.

      Edit: It's also the same reasons too why France and the UK have caught themselves in similar situations, although their changes in demographics are not as dramatic. For thousands of years, they barely had any contact with non-whites, even within their own continent. But once they sought to expand and conquer them, it's no surprise many of these ruled over subjects now feel entitled to move back, especially with the politics in their home countries being intentionally meddled with by these powers.

      Like the Hong Kong situation is a perfect example of a territory Britain should have never taken without the foresight they were going to give it up anyway, but now the natives living there would rather flee than live under Chinese official rule.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        That's being hopeful. As of 2019, less than 50% of all 16-year old Americans are even White.

        https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-census-data-shows-the-nation-is-diversifying-even-faster-than-predicted/

        There are other European countries with much brighter futures than the U.S. White Americans will eventually have to make the bitter but more logical choice some day of returning back if they want to be in a majority country with their own kind.

        [–]SamiAlHayyidGrand Mufti Imam Sheikh Professor Al Hadji Dr. Sami al-Hayyid 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I see no strong reason to believe it's either. And I don't think that those who 'study' this (because they think it's a 'problem' that needs a 'solution') really care about it either. What they want to do is fit the whole Trump Presidency into wider narratives and minimize the possibility of something similar happening ever again. This doesn't mean finding out their problems and addressing them sincerely. It means finding ways to fool them into reinterpreting their problems as no longer problematic (for example, by connecting their concerns to racism narratives and then shaming them for being 'racist' in the hope that they'll cease resisting) and then going on as usual.

        Race > Class on the contemporary Left, so the predominant globohomo strand has an ulterior motive for interpreting it as demographics. This explanation much better fits their wider narrative.

        By contrast, economic anxiety doesn't really fit their narrative. They don't want Whites to be viewed as losing in the economy or anywhere else, because they want to analogize Whites to the bourgeoisie, to people who 'have it all', who always succeed by ensuring that others can never challenge them. They simply pursue a racialized version of the usual bourgeois-proletarian dichotomy, one in which White maps onto bourgeois and non-white maps onto proletarian. White/bourgeoisie are 'oppressors'; non-white/proletariat are 'victims'. Anything that contradicts this narrative is deemed problematic—as victim blaming, perpetuating oppression/privilege, etc.

        Remember, most people believe that Chauvin, Rittenhouse and a whole heap of others are 'White supremacists', despite having zero evidence. We, of course, have evidence to the contrary, such as that Chauvin had an Asian wife, which must be ignored or reframed in a way that fits the narrative. Being a straight White man whose interests clashes with those of any other person automatically gets one reinvented as a White supremacist. Similarly, a non-white who commits a crime 'becomes' White. It doesn't matter whether it's Ahmed Anissa (an Arab is a brown man when he's being bombed in the Middle East, but is a White man when he goes on a shooting spree), Marquise Love, or Zimmerman (both of whose photos in the media showed them as looking far lighter than they actually are). We see that this same 'logic' plays out with other groups. J's are White/Western when wanting Americans and their lapdogs to bomb Arabs or Persians; J's are non-white, non-western 'people of colour' under most other circumstances.

        Has anyone noticed that news articles conveniently omit that Long killed two Whites for the same reason? To fit the narrative, he needed to be framed as 'racist' and 'sexist' in order to hit as many birds as possible with one stone... hence the real problem is not that he killed eight people, but that he killed six Asian women. Because the two White victims make him look much more indiscriminate, these two need to be written out of history so that the shooting appears to be part of a wider narrative; one of White/male oppressors and non-white/female victims. Long's actions have been great for the Left simply because they can be interpreted as fitting both the racism and sexism narrative. We know that if Long was black the outcome would be vastly different—the sexism narrative could still be pulled, but being of any higher race accusing blacks of being sexist is racist. The story would be useless to all wider narratives and thus canned quickly.

        In light of these developments, for obvious reasons it is increasingly absurd to trust anything coming from the MSM. 'Economic anxiety' would paint as Whites as oppressed, victims, underprivileged etc. That's exactly the opposite of what the tens of millions of Left-wing cultists out there are used to hearing. Nobody is going to tell them otherwise simply because contradicting this narrative gets one 'cancelled'. This helps create a self-fulfilling prophecy, a feedback loop—they're told exactly what they want to hear both because true believers and those who don't want to upset them out of fear of punishment (and almost everyone fits one of these two groups) tell it to them. Thus their own narratives are increasingly 'objective truths', questioned only by 'ignorant', 'stupid' and 'evil' people who are 'inbred redneck hillbillies' wearing MAGA hats, and their Russian propagandist masters.

        [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Of course it's demographics, and that's a good thing.

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          [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes, but white working class voters are particularly worried about demographics.

          [–]Girondin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          National Populist / Economics Anxiety perspective that demographic and cultural issues are really just problems with the economy is something I'm becoming more skeptical of (see this and this). This has the thesis of a couple of books like from Michael Lind, Oren Cass and Angus Deaton (which I read, "Deaths of Despair").

          I still not totally sure where I stand on it, but the only evidence of economic anxieties and problems I see are wage decline, which is a complicated measure and I've seen contradictory results, I remember this being the only economics graph in "Deaths of Despair". and greater income inequality.

          Robert Pape is probably right, though I haven't read it extensively, it seems to align with a lot of evidence I'm seeing contrary to the economic anxiety conclusion, it is data driven which is rare for a opinion piece, here is his article.

          I find it interesting Pape says that the KKK rose due to demographic and cultural change (mass immigration of Catholics and Blacks into the North), almost always you hear it was just a "Birth Of A Nation" L.A.R.P.

          To clear some MSM lies:

          • People at Charlottesville did not chant "Jews will not replace us", only a minority did, They said "You will not replace us", Jew and You (Yew) sound similar, so it is easy to hear it in the audio.

          • Great replacement is not a conspiracy theory or even a theory, it is a conclusion based on mainstream rhetoric on whites, demographic changes in white countries and allowing replacement level immigration. Political scientist and Demographers do recognize it, they just call it "white shift".

          • Proud boys are not a "nationalist extremist group", they are primarily a socially conservative, anti antifa men's club, which is probably most men's club in the country.

          • The reason it became violent was due to the police, of course there would be more from farther away DC for the biggest event of "Stop The Steal". He even admits that "two previous pro-Trump rallies in Washington, on Nov. 14 and Dec. 12. While police records show some indications of street fighting after the first two gatherings, Mr. Pape said, the number of arrests were fewer and the charges less serious than on Jan. 6."

          "If all of this is really rooted in the politics of social change, then we have to realize that it’s not going to be solved" - Pape