Debate a "leftist"

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[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

So you are or are not okay with this form of discrimination?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Eh. No strong leaning.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

In your OP you said

I posit that bigotry has an overall negative impact on society

But when it comes to discriminatory policies like affirmative action, all of a sudden you're milquetoast? Why the discrepancy? Are some forms of bigotry (discrimination) acceptable?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Yes. I can assume you're against cheating, right? Say you're playing football and you realize the guys playing before left the football deflated. Would you play the entire rest of the game with a deflated football just because fixing it would be tampering with the ball?

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Okay, so you're not actually against bigotry (discrimination) in toto. You care whether someone's bigotry (discrimination) can be justified.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Sure, but you understand the difference between giving a disadvantaged group a handicap and giving your favorite group a special advantage, right?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Are all black people disadvantaged?

Are all white people advantaged?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In some ways, but it depends. Every person belongs to many groups and they all have different advantages and disadvantages.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Okay. So, despite your initial statement that you don't like discrimination, you acknowledge that you feel justified in utilizing some forms of discrimination.

You also don't think that all members of said group should be the beneficiaries of discriminatory policies.

This is getting a bit convoluted for me, but I'll try my best.

Given that you feel some forms of discrimination are, or at least can be, justified, despite other people disagreeing with those discriminatory policies, is it not possible that other discriminatory policies could also be justified? Not putting words in your mouth but I'm sure you don't see yourself as the only person that's allowed to agree with some discriminatory policies, whatever they may be, right?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I guess theoretically it's possible, but based on my time here I can tell you with a good deal of certainty that the alt right's desires are not justified exceptions.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So do you support discrimination against jews?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That's not even giving your favorite group an advantage, that's just persecuting people you dislike.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No it's "leveling the playing field" by lowering the privileged class

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Non-jewish people as a group never got forced into slums or profiled by police or ostracized by employers. There's no comparison.