Debate a "leftist"

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[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Okay. So, despite your initial statement that you don't like discrimination, you acknowledge that you feel justified in utilizing some forms of discrimination.

You also don't think that all members of said group should be the beneficiaries of discriminatory policies.

This is getting a bit convoluted for me, but I'll try my best.

Given that you feel some forms of discrimination are, or at least can be, justified, despite other people disagreeing with those discriminatory policies, is it not possible that other discriminatory policies could also be justified? Not putting words in your mouth but I'm sure you don't see yourself as the only person that's allowed to agree with some discriminatory policies, whatever they may be, right?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I guess theoretically it's possible, but based on my time here I can tell you with a good deal of certainty that the alt right's desires are not justified exceptions.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Which desires are those?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ethnostate, racial segregation, racial persecution, the kinds of things you read about in alt right spaces.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay.

So what do you think is wrong about an ethnostate?

So what do you think is wrong about an racial segregation?

So what do you think is wrong about an racial persecution?

Any others?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The victimize a certain segment of the population, which is bad enough in its own but that also leads to further division and societal unrest that hurts even people who aren't being directly victimized.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay.

What if people choose to self-segregate, is that also bad? There may be some data demonstrating this effect.

What about the people that do die from not allowing segregation? I'm sure you're familiar with the commonly cited FBI crime statistics (90% of interracial violence is black perpetrators on white victims, 20000 white women raped by blacks as well). Are the crimes and victimization of these people accounted for in your calculus?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can move wherever you want in the name of segregation, but you cannot force other people to move. If segregation were to occur it would have to be consensual, and that clearly isn't going to happen.

"Are the crimes and victimization of these people accounted for in your calculus?"

Yes.