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[–]Jesus[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

So, we can say for sure that Nazis treated animals better than the current industrial farmers do in the US, or Kosher slaughter in Israel.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Jesus[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

/u/socks Found this very surprising. /u/Jasoncarswell

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, very interesting. This is from the famous 'World at War' TV series of the early 1970s.

Recent scholarship on the subject: https://news.uoguelph.ca/2014/04/historian-uncovers-nazi-animal-laws/

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Historian Uncovers Nazi Animal Laws

Animal Protection Act prohibited abuse

Wednesday, April 9, 2014 Matthew Piper

Matthew Piper

The Nazis are remembered for their brutality and cruelty, so it is surprising to many that when the party was in power it also passed laws to protect animals. Matthew Piper, who recently graduated from U of G with a master’s in history, became intrigued by these apparent contradictions and made them the focus of his thesis. He successfully defended in January.

The first law, according to Piper, was passed in 1933, not long after the Nazis rose to power. Under the Animal Protection Act, it was forbidden to mistreat or handle animals in any way that would harm them. Force-feeding fowl was banned, and the law also provided protection to animals in circuses and zoos. In the initial version of the act, experimentation on animals was prohibited as well. People who neglected their pets could be arrested and fined.

“These laws were very progressive at the time,” says Piper.

A year later, the Nazis passed an act that dealt with hunting wild animals. “At the time, only Great Britain had any laws protecting wild animals, but they were nowhere near as strong as the Third Reich laws,” says Piper. This law prohibited hunting on horseback, poisoning wild animals and using traps. In addition, only German citizens and those who met the Aryan racial standards were permitted to hunt.

By 1935, additional restrictions on hunting protected some animals, such as wolves. “What is interesting is that wolves were already extinct in Germany at that time,” Piper points out. “Wolves did exist in Poland, though, and I think this law showed that the Nazis were already looking across their borders and planning to take over.”

Piper sees the restrictions of the hunting laws as essentially a precursor to the Nuremburg laws passed a year later, which stripped those of Jewish descent of their German nationality. “The Nazis saw the land and the animals living on it as sacred to Germany, but they saw the ethnic minorities as invaders in their country,” he says.

The Animal Protection Act also attacked the methods of kosher slaughter. Piper recalls seeing one very graphic film in which a kosher slaughter was taking place. The narrator described it as a cruel practice, something Germans would never do but that the Jews would engage in. “They used the law to demean ethnic minorities and make the Aryan race seem superior,” explains Piper.

These laws gained support for the Nazis from the animal protection groups and conservationists in Germany at the time. These supporters were usually not Nazis or interested in the party’s other policies, but because they were in favour of these laws, they added their support to the regime.

When Germany invaded France, the animal protection laws were put in place there and again received support from French citizens interested in these causes. “They were not happy about the German occupation, but they supported the laws and would post signs about the restrictions on hunting, for example,” says Piper.

However, in Poland the laws were used in a different way. The Nazis chose areas of land and designated them as nature preserves for animals such as wolves and beavers. The people living on these parcels of land were forcibly removed and sent to death camps.

Reconciling Hitler’s concern for animals with his cruelty towards certain groups of people is difficult, Piper acknowledges. “There is some evidence that he did love and care about animals,” he says. “But I think the laws were more closely related to a couple of things. One was this idea of the sacred soil of Germany, and the animals belonging to the ‘natural’ Germany like the Aryans did, so they deserved protection. Secondly, it was a first step to restricting and controlling the non-Aryans in the country.”

When the Nazis were defeated in 1945, the laws were still on the books. In 1951, they were amended to remove the racist and anti-minority aspects but still covered many of the same issues. For example, foot-hold traps and hunting with hounds are still illegal.

Researching this topic has been a fascinating experience for Piper. “These laws seem like a positive thing at first glance, but there is a dark side to them, and they foreshadow the true goals of the Nazis,” he says.

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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't know why you've pinged me. For the shill socks or for the Nazi compassion. I knew about both. Good docu though.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ha... I thought you liked animals. And I wanted to see what socks would post.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I do like animals and have compassion but I'm not ga-ga-goo-goo about them.

I never care to see what shill socks has to say unless it's about coming around and making sense finally.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

This is why you can't view politics in black and white. Although the Nazis killed a lot of innocent people, they passed laws that protected animals from abuse. Furthermore, Stalin killed even more people than Hitler, but he banned abortion in the Soviet Union.

[–]Jesus[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And Putin allows abortion. Odd, isn't it. Russia's abortion rate is higher than te US.

[–]Jesus[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

"The Nazis were not human... they even killed Polish Catholics during a tiem of war and persecuted Jews."

"They are demons."

Half of that may be true but nevertheless, their animal rights laws were astonishing for the time.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Just look how they treated the French after the war started. I'm pretty sure most of the supposed crimes pushed on them were Soviet propaganda actually done by the communists, not saying the Germans didn't do any fuck ups either but still...

They thought they weren't separate from their environment, hence the need to preserve it. But since they believed in taking dominion of the earth (as in the things that were neccesary for their people) and placing their own first above all else, well, they were deemed as a kind of "corruption" so that's the need to constantly crap on them endlessly.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There was no world domination goals. But once the war started it was every banker with his purse. I agree with your latter point.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not saying that they wanted to literally conquer the world, but just to protect what was theirs.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed, I see. I'm of course anti-Nazism because they rejected Christ outrightly and used it only for a platform to spread Nazism and in-group tribalism. What I do find interesting, however, is their anti-Usury economics and banking.

[–]Pononimus 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Quick question: if NAZIS (National SOCIALISTS) weren't Leftist Commies then WHY DID THEY CELEBRATE MAY DAY?