Fire destroys the second largest hydroxychloroquine raw material supplier in the World. According to a fifteen year old study by the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), Hydroxychloroquine is proven 100% effective at "obliterating" coronaviruses, within as little as six hours.

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[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Yes, you are. You are a quack. You claim the whole medical field has it wrong and that vaccines can't work. That is very stereotypical quack thinking.

And no, I mean when people stop dying. When total deaths per unit of time return to normal from the elevated levels they've been at since april. When people stop dying, and then when we stop getting new cases, which will happen when the population is innoculated.

And even after you're proven wrong I'm sure you'll just keep chugging along spewing your bullshit. Because that's what quacks do. They're basically incapable of self-reflection, and their heads are way too far up their own asses to take in what's happening around them.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

You claim the whole medical field has it wrong

no, i don't. in fact I provided a whole lot of references from other experts.

that vaccines can't work.

I didn't say that. I said that they can't work in this particular case

cases and deaths are two different things. Very few people die of covid, and there is treatment for those at risk, as long as you understand what is actually killing them.

I know a lot of people like you. People who think the regurgitated propaganda they spew is any kind of replacement for actual knowledge, and who reject all expert voices that have not been authorised by the propaganda teat they suck upon.

People like you are always loud, always aggressive and always dumb as fuck

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1073858420956905

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

and who reject all expert voices that have not been authorised by the propaganda teat they suck upon.

You keep making claims to authority that you don't possess.

I reject people like Kurt Wise. You are the Kurt Wise of Coronaviruses. Tons of more qualified experts disagree with you, and the ones that disagree with you are the ones proving to be right.

You're trying to dismiss whole fields of more qualified experts here. You'll have to forgive me if I treat you like the joke that you are.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You are the Arnie Grape of SaidIt.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Tons of more qualified experts disagree with you

really. what exactly are they disagreeing with me about? The published, peer reviewed papers I'm posting?, the published, peer reviewed neurobiological papers I'm posting?

What exactly is it they disagree with?

You're trying to dismiss whole fields of more qualified experts here

I'm quoting whole fields of highly qualified experts, meanwhile you just cheer on what the TV tells you, and don't even bother to read any of the links I've shared

faggot

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

what exactly are they disagreeing with me about?

The fundamental nature of COVID-19, and whether vaccines can work. I'm not sure why you would need this spelled out for you. And you're right, I don't bother to read links from anti-vax kooks. But I'll tell ya what...if these vaccines don't work like you say they won't, then I'll start taking what you say seriously.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The fundamental nature of COVID-19,

See, that's where, IF YOU READ THE FUCKING LINKS, you'd see that 'the fundamental nature' of covid is now considered to be neurological

twat

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nope, still a coronavirus, and you're still just a quack. Will be interesting to see what your excuses are when the vaccine works, by the way.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

the idea of a pyramid of debate is you engage in discussion about facts. As you've so proudly proclaimed that you won't even READ information - peer reviewed, published, information - if it is from someone you don't like, then you have failed.

Neuroscientists have been using coronaviruses as models for multiple sclerosis for decades. Yes, it is 'just' a bog standard, CNS invading, coronavirus, like so many others.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree, so lets go over some facts:

A vaccine that doesn't work would have been shown not to work in patient trials. Yet we have several vaccines from several different companies coming down the pipeline that supposedly have been shown to work. In claiming that a vaccines can't work, there are then two possibilities here - Either

1) You are a quack on Saidit spewing bullshit that doesn't need to be taken seriously

OR

2) The FDA is so corrupt that they would let a high-profile vaccine that they know doesn't work through, and that pharmaceuticals are so focused on quarterly earnings that they're all releasing vaccines that don't work and don't care that they'll all be sued into oblivion when this inevitably comes out.

Looking at these 2 options, 1 seems like the far more plausible one here.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You insist on sharing your ignorance. Yet, if I were to post actual scientific data or information, you'd immediately reject it.

I've already told you what the criteria for 'vaccine success' is. Did you research that, or just sit back, flop out your tiny penis and jerk yourself off as you spouted whatever it is you think represents wisdom? Vaccine efficacy is measured by a SINGLE criteria: antibody production. End of story.

The mRNA vaccine will create antibodies against the covid-19 virus, yes. It will prevent the spread of covid by stopping the release from lungs, yes. It cannot stop infection, as the infection route is neuronal and the immune system does not operate like normal in the brain

there's option 3)

you know fuck all, refuse to even look at new information and get your kicks repeating whatever shit your tiny brain has been fed by the media.

Tiresome and boring

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"the whole medical field"

You are intentionally and IMO maliciously pretending there are not tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands or even millions) of doctors, nurses, scientists, and experts who are skeptically pushing back despite the corporate "mainstream" media's organized and mass DYNAMIC SILENCE.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I should have said the overwhelming consensus of the field or something, because both of you clowns are nitpicking this choice of words and it's really annoying.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Only the corporatocracy and their corporate media claims there's any "overwhelming consensus" - as if that were the goal of science. The idea is to punch through incorrect consensus ideas for new discoveries that are openly verifiable. Everyone that understands science understands this.

Name-calling anyone clowns is low tier and it's really annoying.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Science can be described as the dispassionate search for truth. You may not like it, but a lot of questions only have one right answer. And the experts in the field will tend to gravitate towards those correct answers, which is the only reason we hold science in such high regard in the first place.

The reason I call you people clowns isn't because I'm trying to win a debate; it's because you really are just a bunch of clowns. Where you've chosen to take your stand is the ridiculous notion that you can't make a vaccine for this virus. The "propaganda corporatists" or whatever you prefer to call them say that the vaccines coming will work. You and the quack say that they won't. I guess we'll know who is right in a few months, won't we?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Some things have only one right answer. But most do not.

The "officials" are insisting that vaccines are the only way for their manufactured crisis. Their totalitarianism is not considering alternative solutions nor the value of proper nutrients and good health. Refusal to see this is beyond narrow sighted - you are DANGEROUS. People see that on SaidIt and that's why we will always continue to fight your bullshit.

There were no corona vaccines before 2020 when all the rules of science were defenestrated out the window.

"I guess we'll know who is right in a few months, won't we?"

Yes we will. But will you admit when you're wrong and will you even consider the evidence then? I suspect then as now you'll spin it to go along with the authorities like a good shill.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cool, sounds like we've reached an agreement. Looking forward to seeing how these vaccines pan out!