Fire destroys the second largest hydroxychloroquine raw material supplier in the World. According to a fifteen year old study by the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), Hydroxychloroquine is proven 100% effective at "obliterating" coronaviruses, within as little as six hours.

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[–]FediNetizen 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

This is so stupid. If HCQ were actually effective at fighting COVID-19, we'd still be using it. We've mostly stopped using it, because it wasn't effective. And still some of you cling to this, because it's what Trump told you.

[–]zyxzevn 15 insightful - 10 fun15 insightful - 9 fun16 insightful - 10 fun -  (9 children)

Who are you and why are you so stupid.

[–]book-of-saturday 9 insightful - 9 fun9 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 9 fun -  (8 children)

Lol he's the town fool of this site, always defending the establishment narrative, no matter the topic. Some people just want to lick the establishment's boot. Hopefully he's not a shill, cause he's doing a shitty job not convincing anyone.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

He most certainly passes for a shill, along with a handful of others, often acting as a team.

No one can be exposed to sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much content on SaidIt and continue to hold so firmly fast to the bullshit pushed on us by the corporatocracy.

[–]Jesus 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Also odd that he has nine upvotes and not one commenter agrees with him.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You really don't understand how unpersuasive most of this shit is, do you?

You could subject me to flat and young earth shit all day every day, and I can still tell you the earth is round. Most of the "news" you guys post turns out to be debunked garbage. The dead voters that turned out to be alive. The poll workers filmed "throwing away ballots" that were just throwing away instruction sheets of a completely different size. Articles like this claiming HCQ is effective when most clinical trials indicate that it isn't. Hell, you've got the coronavirus subreddit being moderated by one of these young-earth clowns.

No, your half-baked conspiracies and anti-science nonsense claims aren't compelling, no matter how many of them end up on the front page.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We're not talking about your strawman Flat Earth distraction and confusion bullshit. I've not even been exposed to any of the other nonsense you're now promoting as substantial refutation. You seem desperate, clutching at strawmens - almost like your job depends on it. If you knew anything about me you'd know that I'm ANTI-SCIENTISM not anti-science. If you don't know the difference you really need to learn about it.

Answer me these simple questions:

1) Are not corporations, government bodies, and individual government servants time and time and time again caught up in corruption scandals - many proven to be very problematic?

2) Are not the 5 giant media monopolies, at the least: guilty of narrow-minded groupthink, and worse: socially engineer manufactured consent for perpetual war, propagate consumer-based culture while being hypocritical via "climate crisis", and implementing other psychological operations?

3) Do you acknowledge that the shadow government via the deep state and secret agencies has profound and lasting effects on cultures and world affairs?

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I brought up flat earth so that you would understand how stupid the logic is. "No one can be exposed to this much information and not come to our side at least a bit, unless they're acting in bad faith" would only be true if what you're claiming passes the sniff test. "COVID-19 isn't a lung disease and you can't make a vaccine for it" is one of many examples of the obnoxious quackery you guys are peddling on this site, and it's not even remotely compelling as a narrative.

Do you think if you keep reframing the question you're eventually going to get a different answer?

1) Yes, but which government bodies, and what scandals? Just because drugs get through that we find out later have long-term side effects doesn't mean it's suddenly reasonable to believe that the FDA intentionally certifies bad drugs, and it certainly doesn't justify most of your obnoxious conspiracies.

2) Some of those things are true. Corporate media often has some agenda; it's just less nefarious than what you're implying here. That still doesn't justify most of your obnoxious conspiracies.

3) The CIA does shady (probably criminal) shit abroad, and agencies like the NSA spy in a manner which should be illegal domestically. That doesn't justify most of your obnoxious COVID-19 conspiracies.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't worry, I wouldn't expect most of you to find logic or reason persuasive.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Laughable, coming from one of our top shills. (Can I get a /u/Tom_Bombadil verification? See? I can play the validation and legitimization game too.)

[–]tomatosplat 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

No, it's what the science shows. You can't have this drug, because it's in short supply, and globalist elites are reserving it for themselves. Wait untill the real virus gets released. You'll be begging for HCQ.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Wait untill the real virus gets released. You'll be begging for HCQ.

Where are the "it's just a harmless flu" loons to engage with these fools? That might at least be entertaining.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Its just a common cold relax

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Wait until they release their real bioweapons!!!

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Explain why it's not while also refuting the abundant evidence we have without shrugging it of as just "conspiracy theory nonsense". That's not a legitimate excuse to ignore the counter-evidence around here.

[–]Lahontan 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

What I read is that the data going into the studies on hcq were flawed. Hcq early on in the infection was really effective, but they were using it later on when it wasn't nearly as effective and only reporting that.

[–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (35 children)

Yes, PEP (pre-exposure prophylactic) therapy with HCQ was the new goalpost that was created after it was shown to be ineffective with sick patients. Trumpers also started claiming it needed to be HCQ with specific combinations of other drugs. The follow-up studies examining the merits of those claims never panned out either. It turns out to just not be effective at fighting COVID-19 in general. Some studies suggest it can help a bit, but the majority don't show any effect at all.

[–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (34 children)

the disease is silent, until late. cns infection, lung symptoms occur after extensive myelin damage.

treatment then is too late, although IVM helps with remyelination.

cod liver oil, zinc & sunshine help fight at initial cns stage

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

Lol, you natural remedy people are something else.

"Just get your vitamins and you can beat this deadly disease!"

[–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

Actually, this is one of my expert fields, being trained, qualified and published in the world of neurobiology.

so when I give a simple 'cure', it isn't pulled out of my arse, unlike the current "stick people on ventilators" treatment option, which has clearly emerged from some rancid shit hole.

I'm distilling expert knowledge on the actions/needs of glial cell' remyelination action, and a very deep knowledge of the privileged position of the CNS when it comes to immune responses.

the "vaccine" cannot work to prevent initial infection, as it is targeted at the immune system, which is highly restricted in its ability to act in the brain. There's other systems at play.

They need a source of omega-3 (the basic building blocks for rebuilding the myelin sheath), vitamin D3 (enables the glial cells to function at full speed through very complex interleukin based cascades that we don't fully understand) and zinc, which is another enabler of the glial cell's remyelination process.

IF you care to know more of the science, you can check the links I posted in /s/coronavirus which are links to peer reviewed, open publications (in major journals. one positive of the plandemic is that the whole field has been de-paywalled to enable research), on the CNS side of coronavirus infections, and histological evidence that covid-19 is indeed, a brainstem (medulla) demyelinating disease, with symptoms and treatments (ie invermectin) entirely consistent with demyelination / remyelination.

By the time the lungs start to fail, the virus has wrecked the brainstem areas that control breathing, and is migrating to the lungs via the autonomic nervous system to begin the release cycle of the infection. Death is close behind if the myelin promoting nutrients are not supplied really fast. Sunlight / vitamin D, zinc, omega-3, Invermectin (which, if you read the links, has been clearly shown to enable remyelination).

Leave any of the ingredients out (say, the omega-3) and the rest doesn't work. It takes understanding what is going on to be able to see why the trials are so hit and miss. How many trials control for omega-3? I'll tell you: none. That's why the data makes little sense to people who believe this is a lung infection.

t.neuroscientist.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

the "vaccine" cannot work to prevent initial infection, as it is targeted at the immune system, which is highly restricted in its ability to act in the brain. There's other systems at play.

Fake experts like yourself are so tiresome. To be approved for use the vaccines have to have shown to work in clinical trials. So are you saying of the ~7 vaccines coming down the pipeline over the next few months, all of them used fake data? Were FDA officials bribed?

And in a few months when deaths drop dramatically as those most in need receive their vaccines, followed by dropping rates of new cases as the general public gets inoculated, what will you have to say then?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Why do you have so much blind faith in the "authorities" despite them being proven perpetual liars?

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Oh look, it's a question with a false premise. Par for the course from you.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

No. That's a legit question, and I'm seriously asking. Nothing false. I'm being honest. I'm legit curious. I'll ask again, FediNetizen:

Why do you have so much blind faith in the "authorities" despite them being proven perpetual liars?

Refusal to honestly answer it proves you're a shill with tired tactics to dodge authenticity.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I'm no 'fake' expert, and you could just read the link that I posted to expand your own knowledge.

Do you know what it takes for a vaccine to be called 'successful'? I'm guessing not.

The only measure of vaccine efficacy is antibody titre. A raised antibody titre means nothing for CNS diseases with a direct olfactory/optic infection route. You could go look up the science, but I guess you are comfy being spoon fed by a totally honest media.

And in a few months when deaths drop dramatically

you mean, when they stop reporting every death as 'covid'?

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Yes, you are. You are a quack. You claim the whole medical field has it wrong and that vaccines can't work. That is very stereotypical quack thinking.

And no, I mean when people stop dying. When total deaths per unit of time return to normal from the elevated levels they've been at since april. When people stop dying, and then when we stop getting new cases, which will happen when the population is innoculated.

And even after you're proven wrong I'm sure you'll just keep chugging along spewing your bullshit. Because that's what quacks do. They're basically incapable of self-reflection, and their heads are way too far up their own asses to take in what's happening around them.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

You claim the whole medical field has it wrong

no, i don't. in fact I provided a whole lot of references from other experts.

that vaccines can't work.

I didn't say that. I said that they can't work in this particular case

cases and deaths are two different things. Very few people die of covid, and there is treatment for those at risk, as long as you understand what is actually killing them.

I know a lot of people like you. People who think the regurgitated propaganda they spew is any kind of replacement for actual knowledge, and who reject all expert voices that have not been authorised by the propaganda teat they suck upon.

People like you are always loud, always aggressive and always dumb as fuck

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1073858420956905

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"the whole medical field"

You are intentionally and IMO maliciously pretending there are not tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands or even millions) of doctors, nurses, scientists, and experts who are skeptically pushing back despite the corporate "mainstream" media's organized and mass DYNAMIC SILENCE.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/s/cats/comments/71vr/sans_titre/

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"Just get your vitamins and you can beat this deadly disease!"

Worked for Japan?

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Fallacy.

[–]Artistic-Mastodon-25 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Do you have evidence that wearing a mask is more effective than HCQ at any stage or for any purpose for dealing with the virus? It seems like a double standard, right?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Read this doctor's conclusions, scroll down:

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=HCQ%20from%3AStevePhillipsMD&src=typed_query

Also, fine search the full drug name in twitter search from his twitter.

He has plenty of info which the corporations and governments have clouded in propaganda.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yada Yada, didn't read

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Hydroxychloroquine is simply a synthetic, patented (expired, I'm pretty sure) version of quinine, which has the same properties. You can get quinine in quite a few brands of tonic water. it's good stuff! Natural!

Quinine was "discovered" by westerners when Peruvian natives would use the Cinchona tree extracts to cure their malaria. It was found that the quinine in this plant was a very effective anti-malarial. It was then "reinvented" as patented hydroxycholoroquine and sold as a pharmaceutical.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And tastes fine with gin.

[–]zyxzevn 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Yup. It works very well.
IF used early in normal doses, in combination with Zinc for example.

http://hcqlost.com

But Big Pharma has been giving false advice to the doctors and WHO,
and fucked up the science studies completely. Even made some fake ones.
The well known medicine was also used to overdose patients to prevent it from being used.

But doctors that used it correctly could save about 90% of the patients, often with results within a few hours.
This has been repeated by scientists that followed the correct protocol, and were not listening to the mis-information.
But you don't see that on mainstream propaganda news.

Other working alternatives are Ivermectin and Budesonide.
There are also many other factories able to make HCQ.
You can even setup a production-line yourself, because it is off-patent.

Note: I stopped discussing with NPCs.

[–]VirgilGriff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

It works so well that the most powerful man in the world with a team of the world's best doctors dedicated only to his care didn't take it. Instead, he took other treatments and got better in 48 hours.

[–]zyxzevn 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Oh wait another stupid person.

[–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, it's zyxzevn again. Good to see you're retarded on this topic as well. I'm sure the President purposefully chose to not take the most effective treatment against COVID-19. Great theory, you fucking genius.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

one thing to keep in mind is trump is controlled opposition, there's a reason he lost, he sold out and acted like corona was a real threat, I doubt he ever really got it, and if he did you don't know what his treatment really was. But a 74 year old guy got it and was better in 2 days, why was that, isn't it supposed to at least make you sick for weeks if not kill you? That was fake.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

No, you don't understand. They didn't give him HCQ because they were trying to kill him, and he only got better because God decided he needed to come back to destroy the democrats, as Q predicted.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

HCQ works in acute cases and there is more than enough evidence to show this on pubmed, it's the corrupt CDC that pushes the more expensive and dangerous drug.

[–]tomatosplat 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Please go get a vaccine. PLEASE.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^ This.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

bad word, obliterate there, you can't cure a virus, it will always be in you, you can just weaken it.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also, having a virus is not the end of the world, since the microbe theory is false. The milieu determines how healthy you are.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing to see here.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How subtle.