WayOfTheBern using reddit shadow banning on saidit

submitted by Dragonerne from (self.censorship)

https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/about/log

They are using automoderator to shadow ban users (me) and have apparently been doing it for 3 days now.

Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.
Import lib-redditards, become lib-redditards.

So-called "socialists" fear those of us who name the jew because they know we are the threat to those in power. WoTB is either jewish controlled psy op or they don't like the cognitive dissonance from being exposed for the bootlickers that they are.

There is no difference between WotB and MAGA. They all bend the knee to Israel and the jews.

Edit:
https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/b04d/wayofthebern_using_reddit_shadow_banning_on_saidit/12q2w
I found out the exchange that caused the moderator to get triggered and shadow ban me.

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[–]Promyka5 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

If you want to talk critically about Zionists, I'm right there with you. Their crimes should not be elided, but openly examined. But you want to talk about Jews, as if they are all guilty of some crime by virtue being born into a particular community, any more than are you or I. If you can't see why that's patent bullshit, or refuse to acknowledge the vital distinction, then it seems to me that you're deliberately trying to be an asshole.

[–]Dragonerne[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

"If you disagree with me, then you are deliberately trying to be an asshole"

Okay, but disagreeing in good faith which I am and on topic which I always am is not against the rules on saidit. We are not on reddit anymore. If you want to have censorship in your sub then you have to make it explicit. Just shadow banning jew naming because you disagree isn't okay.

If I wanted to talk critically about zionists, then I would call them zionists. But I am not, am I?

[–]Promyka5 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

I don't want to control what you say, but I am free to characterize it as I see it. You wearing your prejudice on your sleeve is not productive toward legitimate discourse, and me not calling it out makes me complicit with the exclusion of Jewish voices who might have substantial contributions to make to the conversation. I'll drink from the same water fountain as a Jew, eat in the same restaurant with a Jew, and have a meaningful conversation with a Jew. I have no particular sympathy toward Jews, but I have a great deal of sympathy for human beings, particularly in this day and age.

If you haven't met all Jews everywhere, then how can you pass judgement on each and every Jew, or even on Jews generally? If you met someone who was ethnically Russian, would you hold them accountable for the excesses of the 1917 Revolution? Or a Frenchman for the military aggression of Napoleon? Just what is it for which all Jews everywhere are culpable? There's the old adage about not seeing the forest for the trees, but in my opinion, you can't claim to know the forest without being acquainted with a damn good many of its trees. None of the bullshit "identity groups," you know, the monikers that people like to refer to in order to pigeonhole people into neat categories, not one of them, whether it be gays, Blacks, Asians, Jews, Hispanics, etc., is a monolith. All of these dubious "groups" are composed of individuals, each of whom is a regular person whom you'd have to talk to in order to know. Drawing any conclusions about individuals you might meet before you even speak to them simply because they are members of a particular "demographic" is unjustified.

The problem with contemporary society, as I see it, is the atomization of members of the body politic. This is a tactic used to divide us all by those elites who must use it in order to maintain and consolidate their already considerable power over us all. What they most fear is genuine solidarity among the masses. If you were wronged by one or several Jews, it might explain your prejudice toward the entire class, but always keep in mind that separating off the Jews is just the first step in keeping us divided in order to bolster the power of those who already have us under their boot. Being able to find some kind of common ground with virtually anybody is a strong antidote to this, and a vital component of the recipe for Liberty. To be free, we must all be free together. Individually, we can never escape our subjugation.

[–]Dragonerne[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

If you haven't met all Jews everywhere, then how can you pass judgement on each and every Jew, or even on Jews generally?

https://files.catbox.moe/xw7xgk.mp4

Please watch this short clip.

On an unrelated note, do you like apples? If you haven't tasted every apple in the world, then how can you judge it?

If you met someone who was ethnically Russian, would you hold them accountable for the excesses of the 1917 Revolution?

No. I wouldn't hold Russians accountable for the mass murder committed by jews against ethnic christian Russians in the bolshevik revolution. While we are on the topic of bolshevik revolutions. Would you do me the favor and look up this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919
and now do me the favor of clicking on each and every single one of the commanders and leaders of the "revolutionaries" and then go to their early life section. Do you notice anything?
What happened in the Russian Revolution, and with the slaughter of millions of Christian Russians, they also tried to do in Germany, but failed, and out of this failure, the national socialists were born to stomp out this genocidal racist element from German society.

Drawing any conclusions about individuals you might meet before you even speak to them simply because they are members of a particular "demographic" is unjustified.

Factually wrong. 90% of blacks in the US are democrats. It is safe to assume that when you meet a black person that he's a democrat until you know any better.

What they most fear is genuine solidarity among the masses

Censorship wont create any solidarity. The only thing I know now is that WotB supports jewish supremacy.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

That clip made a lot of sense 🙏

[–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I think you are the first to watch it. I don't think any of the several WotB'ers I shared it with have watched it. But it really does simplify why their position is so illogical. No one thinks like this unless they're brainwashed before their brain is fully developed.

This type of brainwashing works on children and then it becomes ingrained in their thinking as adults.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some determine their position and reject any material that can demonstrate an opposing point, it's the only way they can validate their position without losing credibility.

I had a conversation with a guy with extreme climate ideology, he refused to listen to any counter argument or opposing scientific evidence to suggest the world wasn't about to end. I passed him my mobile phone featuring an interview with a leading figure in the scientific field with credible acknowledgements in fields of climate research, the subject matter ripped the climate model software to shreds and exposed the figures as malarkey. Instead of watching it, he threw my phone on the floor and screamed "Eww, Fox News!". My fucking phone man, threw it on the floor. And who cares what platform the interview was held, that's the same tone ActuallyNot takes, dismissing content based on a provider, it's irrelevant and avoids the actual point.

I totally agree, it's brainwashing, and a hint of willful ignorance.

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    [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    You wearing your prejudice on your sleeve is not productive toward legitimate discourse

    I want everyone to know what racist garbage this person is spewing out against whites, while pretending to be an ambassador for good morals:

    As we all know, nuclear weapons are bad primarily because they've always been wielded by straight, white, cis men.

    What a funny "joke". But factually naming the jew Larry Fink of BlackRock is somehow "prejudice". This is the level of gaslighting you're dealing with when talking to leftists.

    [–]Promyka5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Is Larry Fink, the Jew from BlackRock the same as Brett Miller, the Jew who works with you in the lighting department at Home Depot? I'm not gonna saddle poor Brett with the unconscionable crimes against humanity that Larry has committed, is committing, and will commit.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Quote me just one time claiming that.
    Edit: crickets.
    All leftists have is lies and gaslighting.

    [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This is a group of the nice anti-zionist Jews interviewed in Israel: https://odysee.com/@Realbounty:a/jews-about-goyim:6

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/b07w/upenelopepnortney_should_be_shadowbanned/12qci

    They admit that it was because of the jewish question that I got shadow banned. Not because I was "being a dick" or anything like that. They simply didn't like my opinion, which is not against their stated rules.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I consider anti-zionism to be highly anti-semitic. Why should the Jews give up the land they won any more than the Americans give their land back to the indians?

    So do you get banned now?

    [–]Promyka5 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I consider Zionism itself criminal, and the conflation of all Jews with Zionist criminals to be anti-Semitic. People get banned on SaidIt for wrongthink? Do I have to say niggerkikespic like so many I've seen around here in order to avoid being banned? 'Cause I'd rather not.

    [–]UncleJemima 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

    you've written hours of comments that others did not see because of the automoderator

    you have to put:

    I like turtles

    in the text. I was about to warn you of this 2 days ago, but saw that you had called me a troll in your comment at that time. So now I see you've figured it out. Congratulations.

    I've told the mods at WatB that their 'turtle tax' is the most juvenile, idiotic, 7-year-old emotional level BS for moderating, not to mention disrespectful, and that they should merely ban users if Saidit guidelines were repeatedly not followed. But the shadow ban they gave me was for relatively normal discourse. Not sure I like turtles anymore. ...

    [–]captainramen 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

    'relatively normal discourse' like you calling people retards and traitors. Try that in real life and make sure you film the results in 4k, horizontally. Then post the results here

    [–]UncleJemima 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Saidit subs can handle the occasional negative opinion, you emotionally stunted wierdo. Learn to Saidit.

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      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      screech it, sista

      [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Are you telling me awkwardtheturtle came here?

      [–]UncleJemima 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I haven't a fucking clue what it means, homie

      [–]Musky 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

      Mention it to u/magnora7

      [–]Dragonerne[S] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

      Mods must not remove user comments and posts that are on-topic and made in good faith UNLESS one of these conditions are met:

      It's clearly stated in the sub's sidebar that the moderators remove opposing opinions AND the mods must uncheck the sub setting

      allow this sub to be included in /s/all as well as the default and trending lists so that the sub won't appear on /s/all. The name of the sub must ends with "_positive" or "_negative" to clearly indicate the sub's intentional bias, thus allowing the sub to appear on /s/all.

      It is specifically against site wide rules unless they state it in their side bar which they don't or remove themselves from s/all which they haven't.

      They lie about being a sub for good faith debate but censor those who name the jew. ie. opinions they don't like. This is not reddit.

      Edit:
      The shadow ban is in their moderation log too:
      https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/b04d/wayofthebern_using_reddit_shadow_banning_on_saidit/12q2w

      [–]Musky 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      I get it man, I'd be pissed too. It's a blatant violation of Saidit rules. M7 is pretty good about enforcing that though. Maybe bring it up to the wotb people too. And maybe u/Vulptex could help.

      [–]Vulptex[A] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Sorry, I don't have any power in that domain

      [–]Musky 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Ok, thought I'd check.

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        [–]hfxB0oyA 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        I don't agree with your opinions on Jews, but your reasoning here does seem sound. This is probably a thing u/magnora7 should weigh in on.

        [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        We are allowed to disagree and I would be happy to learn that I am wrong.

        I was reading a different perspective on this whole world domination topic earlier today:
        https://stopworldcontrol.com/downloads/GrandJurySummary1.pdf

        I have only read the first 24 pages. It is mostly about The City of London and the british empire.

        [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I prefer respectful debate to shutting down those who do not share my views, to be sure. In fact, I consider it vital to a properly functioning society.

        [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        If it's an automod rule then it's likely that comments are removed for being off topic. It would be difficult to prove that automod is acting with bias. Perhaps they simply want the topic of the sub to be limited to politics, which is entirely reasonable.

        [–]UncleJemima 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

        It would be difficult to prove that automod is acting with bias.

        I've discussed this with a WatB mod, /u/penelopepnortney

        She clarified when I was shadow-banned that a mod will shadow-ban a user for "dickish behaviour", after which the automoderator looks for one phrase in that user's comments:

        I like turtles

        If the automoderator does not see that phrase in a shadow-banned user's comment, it removes the comment from view by other users, though the shado-banned person can still see that comment. A history of that here: https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/about/log

        If there is no 'I like turtles' phrase in the shadow-banned user's commenet, that user will still see his/her comment (though others can't), and will get an immediate response from the automoderator:

        AutoModerator notification

        from automoderator sent 8 hours ago

        https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/b001/we_are_not_yet_a_community_what_work_needs_to_be/12pu4?context=3

        Hi there! We appreciate your participation at s/WayoftheBern. This isn't a ban notice, but you are busted for either being excessively dickish, a brigader cosplaying as a regular, are too clearly a partisan gaslighting shill, maybe a bot, or you just finally got on a mod's last nerve. So, in place of a ban, this is notice of a 'tax.' To continue contributing to WayoftheBern you MUST rewrite future comment to contain the phrase, "I like turtles", and then RESUBMIT your comment. (Also, using an alt to circumvent the Turtle is a violation of Reddit Intergalactic Law, and both accounts will be banned.) Merely editing your non-compliant comment will not be sufficient, it must be resubmitted. It is simply an additional requirement for your comments. And as always, please enjoy your time at /r/WayOfTheBern!

        I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this sub if you have any questions or concerns.

        I'm OK with being banned, rather than shadow-banned: noting 'I like turtles', though recently I've joined a discussion at WatB about building the community and have to put up with the 'I like turtles' 'turtle tax' in order to discuss anything with those overly sensitive children.

        EDIT: /u/magnora, meet /u/penelopepnortney, who seems to have the patience to deal with questions

        [–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

        If there is no 'I like turtles' phrase in the shadow-banned user's commenet, that user will still see his/her comment (though others can't)

        Oh, the irony. Shadowban /u/penelopepnortney for dickish behaviour.

        Edit: don't worry /u/Dragonerne I've got your back, I made a thread about it here.

        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

        Thanks. The irony of u/Maniak saying I'm not shadow banned (more gaslighting) is that if I would've replied to his comment, my comment would've been nuked and removed by AutoModerator.

        [–]Maniak 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        You're not shadowbanned, you're under temp moderation. If you'd rather get a proper shell, just ask.

        [–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        "Removing all posts someone makes" does not fall under the definition of 'moderation', even if it's temporary.

        [–]penelopepnortney 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        No worries, the user is now shelled. This was a decision of the mod team because of his propensity for bringing up "teh evil jOOz" in practically every comment, a form of hijacking that no community has to tolerate. It's unfortunate, because when he's not so fixated on that, he makes some decent contributions.

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          [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/azqf/world_insights_ned_is_actually_the_second_cia/12owe

          If I am not shadow banned, then how come I can't see any of the comments I made (when logged out) after the shadow ban started?
          They are gaslighting us.

          They are also saying I have been dickish but I haven't. I've stated facts that they don't like and I have been civil about it.
          Unlike them, I haven't used any name calling.

          [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shadowban

          Banning a user from a web forum in such a way that the banned user is unaware of the ban. Usually takes the form of showing that user's posts/profile/etc. only to that user; other users never see them. Considered underhanded chicken-shit behavior. Fark has turned into a bunch of shadowbanning pricks.

          .

          If you'd rather get a proper shell, just ask.

          What I want is for your sub to get removed from s/all for not following saidit sitewide rules and I want to let everyone on saidit know that you're shadow banning users who disagree with you, like the reddit mods that you are.

          Alternatively, you can become tolerant, open minded and start having good faith debates with people of opposing views to yourself.
          Or you can change your rules to let everyone know that you're a leftist echo chamber that bans opposition.

          Your user name is fitting.

          [–]zyxzevn 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          Dragoner is mainly talking about jews.
          And I guess that is beyond the discussion that is in that sub.

          Saidit does not allow porn either.
          I don't think that every sub needs to be disturbed by someone's extreme bias.

          There are other subs were people can complain about jews or islam,
          and some have moved to a less restricted .win server.

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            [–]Dragonerne[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            "We are a sub for disagreement and tolerance of others opinions"

            Also we secretly shadow ban all comments mentioning jews

            [–]Alphix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            I agree, their actions are ABSOLUTELY UNFORGIVABLE on saidit. We don't need this type of scummy behavior in a sub that is part of s/all. Or on saidit at all, IMHO.

            [–]Dragonerne[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

            The irony is also immense:
            https://archive.md/fercf

            From Bernie, Aug 25, 2017:

            During the presidential campaign, I made it a point to stop at conservative areas like Liberty University and McDowell County, West Virginia. I did that because it is imperative that we go beyond our political comfort zones, start reaching out to people who do not agree with us on every issue and see where, if possible, we can find common ground.

            This, is the WayoftheBern.

            From their own moderation guidelines.
            https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/azgp/moderation/

            [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            LMFAO typical redditard, contradicting themselves and seeing nothing wrong with that. /facepalm.

            This level of arbitrariness PROVES beyond any doubt that whoever is moderating that IS NOT FIT TO MODERATE ANYTHING.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Sounds like something a JEW would do!

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              [–]SMCAB 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

              Reddit faggots acting like reddit faggots, who would have thunk it?

              [–]captainramen 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

              If you say so. The rest of reddit hated our guts. Oh well you won't make any friends calling out shitlibs regardless of party affiliation

              [–]SMCAB 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

              You think I'm here for friends?

              Whether you like it or not, it's a reddit faggot thing to do, done by reddit faggots.

              [–]captainramen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              name me one other sub that does what WotB does rather than shadowbanning you with no explanation of what you did

              [–]SMCAB 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              I don't know, I go outside, doesn't change that it was a reddit faggot thing to do, done by reddit faggots.

              [–]Dragonerne[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

              Go to Trump, the jew lover, MAGA spaces and every problem is caused by "the communists"
              Go to Bernie, the jew, WotB spaces and every problem is caused by "the capitalists" and "the fascists"

              Both sides of the spectrum is controlled by jews. But Name the jew in either of those spaces and they censor you.
              This is what they fear. You can call the jew every name in the book and it doesn't bother him but call him a jew and he fears you.

              [–]Oyveygoyim 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              You knew it was coming. The reddit immigrants are invading this site just like everyone coming through from the southern border.

              [–]Alphix 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              They're behaving like Jews! Oops...

              [–]shatabee5 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

              Maybe they just got tired of OP's one-note "da joos" commentary. OP could be the one who is the psy-op.

              Go to another sub if you don't like wotb, instead of trying to get a brigade going.

              u/FThumb heads up.

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                [–]shatabee5 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                Pardon me, but I believe white, billionaire men is a more accurate description of the demographic controlling "all of the levers of power".

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                  [–]shatabee5 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                  sure, bud, lol.

                  [–]Alphix 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Your brainwashing is showing. It's understandable, since you come from a brainwashing shithole. Welcome to saidit where actual facts MATTER.

                  [–]Node 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                  That belief was installed in you by jews.

                  [–]shatabee5 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  Those facts were installed in me by seeing it with my own eyes.

                  [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Who runs youtube?
                  Spoiler: It is not a white billionaire man

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                    [–]bucetao6969 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

                    I don't know if this is true or not, but it would be pretty shitty carry over shadow bans from reddit to saidit.

                    Moreover, shadowbans are shitty in general. Does this system exist in Saidit?

                    [–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

                    Automoderator has always been able to shadowban on a sub-specific basis.

                    Since saidit is a fork of reddit the sitewide shadowban system does exist. There's no way to use it at the moment however. But I am fairly confident that if it ever does get enabled it will only be used against spam accounts, and potentially in extreme cases where a user keeps making alts after every single ban.

                    [–]0_0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                    No mod can shadowban another user in the traditional way. What they can do is make a bot to automatically delete the post from certain users.

                    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                    That's what a shadowban is. At least on reddit/saidit.

                    [–]0_0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                    Apparently this is the case. I've always thought of shadowbaning as being added to a sitewide blacklist by reddit itself or maybe getting your comments deleted by a rule from automoderator that targets a specific user since it's a special bot that pre filters everything before it even shows up in the API a regular bot would use. Honestly I didn't even know this old branch of reddit had automoderator.

                    [–]bucetao6969 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    Shadowban from what I understand is being banned without knowing. You can interact with the community as if you weren't banned, but your votes won't count and your comments won't show up. But you feel like you are still participating.

                    Shadowban on reddit was apparently global on certain scenarios because there was a sub to test if you were shadowbanned.

                    I don't know how this global shadowban worked because from time to time I got messages from certain communities saying I was auto-banned from there for engaging in another community.

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                        [–]Matterofprinciple 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Lookit all these sniveling idiot fucks who never once contributed to WOTB.

                        Wrong treehouse, kiddies. Go back to Reddit.

                        [–]shatabee5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

                        If some people feel very strongly about Jews, then they might ought start their own sub instead of whining and polluting other subs with their bullshit.

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

                        You're not on reddit. If you don't want people to mention jews, you have to make it clear in your rules OR remove your sub from s/all

                        This is a free speech platform

                        [–]shatabee5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

                        Your comments are just so annoying. The way you clamor on and on about one topic seems a bit psycho.

                        What's your objection to having your very own sub/soapbox where you can spew as much as you want? It seems like your actual intention is harassment. Is that allowable on saidit?

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                        My intention is to spread awareness about jewish supremacy, so that the masses can unite and change the system.

                        I'm sure some of the moderators of WotB are jewish and they are keeping you on the plantation. This type of information is the only thing they fear and the only thing they don't want their userbase to learn.
                        Why? Because when truth is allowed, truth always wins.

                        Take a look at this post from today on the_donald:
                        https://patriots.win/p/16bPnqdfvM/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-k/c/

                        These are Trump supporters. The moderators are literally JIDF agents. They have been unable to censor the truth and their users are starting to notice the pattern.
                        These comments will likely be removed once the moderators get online. That's what usually happens. But they're in trouble, because you know how Trump supporters love freedom of speech and facts. When the JIDF moderators ban anything about the jews, the Trump supporters get sus and starts to notice things even more.
                        So the JIDF moderators have a choice -> ban and people will notice
                        or don't ban and the truth will spread

                        You've been on reddit for so long where everything is heavily censored. Without censorship the oligarchs power structure falls apart rapidly.

                        Censorship prevents naming the enemy and it prevents the masses from organizing.

                        [–]shatabee5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                        Whatever floats your boat.

                        It's pathetic when people resort to scapegoating because it's easy. It's so lazy to single out one group of people. Get a clue. Things would be just as fucked without "da joos".

                        As if that idiot Trump is the answer. You hate Jews and love Trump. Interesting.

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                        All of Trumps grand children are jews. Same with Biden. But it is lazy to point out? How? Is it just a coincidence that both presidents have all of their grand children being jews?

                        Is it also a coincidence that reddit is owned by jews? What about youtube? What about google? What about facebook? What about snapchat? What about instagram? When does it stop being a coincidence to you?
                        This is a tiny minority controlling basically everything related to politics. Be it media or banks.

                        And naming the jew is anything but "easy". If I would just call them zionists (also a single group lol), I wouldn't have been banned from WotB. Naming the jew comes with a lot of negative social consequences, because of their immense power everywhere.

                        [–]shatabee5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                        They are owned by billionaire, white men.

                        What are you going to do about it?

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                        It's pathetic when people resort to scapegoating because it's easy. It's so lazy to single out one group of people.

                        .
                        Also you:

                        They are owned by billionaire, white men.

                        [–]shatabee5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                        How about that!

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                        You simply have an anti white bias. You have zero trouble scapegoating whites and giving the blame to white people for what jews do.

                        Why?

                        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        It's to be expected any place they are given even the slightest bit of power. This is why much of Wikipedia has become a cesspit of left-wing propaganda and bullshit not worth anybody's time. Move on, forget them. You can't argue with stupid people so what even is the point?

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        The point is that this is saidit and not reddit. This is a free speech site. If they don't like it, then they can remove their sub from /s/all and censor people just as much as they want.

                        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Damn right ✊

                        [–]Newmug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                        Your views on Jews are not solid. Its like saying "Christians rule the US because 37 of the 46 US presidents were protestant" - which is true, but not relevant.

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        It used to be a white Christian country with white Christian rule. Now a 2% minority has taken control over the country and owns basically everything, banks, media, social media, etc.

                        [–]MagicMike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        I wondered WTF was happening: the Reddit-Coats against the patriots

                        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                        Shadow banning is nasty, and it should be illegal.

                        [–]bucetao6969 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                        I aggre Mr RapeMyMouth

                        props for the guys at lgbdroptheT they had balls and hard banned me instead of pussy shadow ban

                        [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                        I don't think it's targeting users. It's probably removing things based on certain keywords or phrases.

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                        You could be right. Maybe they shadow ban all comments with the name "jew" in it.

                        They need to state their censorship in the sidebar and remove themselves from s/all because that isn't allowed as far as I understand saidit rules, unless they make it explicit that they censor

                        [–]AXXA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                        I originally thought the same thing, but now /u/LarrySwinger2 changed my mind. Now I think you're probably right that automod is targeting users and not topics. We don't know for sure one way or the other though, so that should be part of the discussion /u/magnora7 has with the moderators.

                        /s/censorship/comments/b04d/wayofthebern_using_reddit_shadow_banning_on_saidit/12q22

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                        Neither thing is allowed. Censoring because you mention "jew" is not allowed and it isn't "off topic" if the topic is about jews or jewish companies like BlackRock.

                        But I went through the moderator log and not all of the removed comments had jew in it.

                        They shadow banned this comment:

                        What's the turtle idea?

                        [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                        I think that confirms that you are right and my original assumption was wrong. The automod shadow bans users. This is troublesome because if nothing else it breaks intended transparency of public logs of bans, which is part of Saidit's core mission. I think /u/magnora7 is not going to like that.

                        [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        Ok thanks to everyone for bringing this to my attention, I will talk to the mods and try to understand exactly what their automoderator is doing before making any changes. If it's breaking saidit rules they can leave /all, or adjust it to be within saidit rules. I will have to evaluate the situation and talk with the mods which will take a few days.

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        I found out what prompted the moderator to shadow ban me from their sub.
                        https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/b04d/wayofthebern_using_reddit_shadow_banning_on_saidit/12q2w

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        3 days ago penelopepnortney
                        edited wiki page (Updated AutoModerator configuration: Dragonerne put under temp moderation)

                        3 days ago their moderator put me on their shadow ban list. This was after this exchange:
                        Moderator:

                        We get that you hate Jews, it's hard not to since that sentiment seems to permeate most of your comments regardless of what's under discussion. It's really pretty cringy, frankly.

                        Me:

                        You can call it cringy, but you can't call me a liar.

                        Moderator:

                        As several people have pointed out already, you attribute to one group what applies to all groups as no group is a monolith and all have both good and bad actors. Your fixation on one particular group for these evils at the very least makes you lack credibility, it's the typical find a scapegoat to blame for all our ills based on who people are rather than what they do as individuals, which just gives the perpetrators outside that group a free pass.

                        Me:

                        Watch this short video to understand the stupidity of your position. https://files.catbox.moe/xw7xgk.mp4 MP4

                        I judge people based on their actions, not who they are. However the actions of people in their group influences how I view others in that group, naturally. This is called Bayesian reasoning. You have a lot of variability within a group, so judging an individual solely based on the group average would be incorrect, but likewise treating everyone as if they didn't belong to groups would also be incorrect. If tomorrow, the jews stopped censoring people on facebook, reddit, youtube, etc. then a lot of my criticism of them would disappear BECAUSE of their actions, but they don't. They keep censoring us. They keep exploiting people. It is their actions I judge them by.

                        which just gives the perpetrators outside that group a free pass.

                        Definitely not. Do you think I ignore Ron DeSantis who signed a bill in Israel to ban free speech in Florida last month, just because he isn't jewish? Do you really think so? I hope you realize how that's not the case. Do you think I ignore non-jews who benefit from this judeo-capitalist system exploiting the workers? Of course I don't.

                        All that said. I can recommend the video I shared with the moderator. It perfectly points out the stupidity of their position.

                        So it now becomes clear when the shadow banning happened and why. The moderator got butt hurt and thinks it is reddit where you just ban people you disagree with if they trigger you for whatever reason.

                        [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        But even if your assumption was correct, it still wouldn't be "off topic" to say that Larry Fink, the ceo of BlackRock, is a jew when talking about Larry Fink or BlackRock. It is factual and it is relevant to the topic, hence "on topic".

                        If 90% of the things they post about is related to jews, then that is relevant to those topics to point out. This wouldn't happen by coincidence. Jews are a small 2% minority so we would expect their representation in problematic issues to be 2%, once every 50 post

                        [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        I really respect the strong argument you present, but I'm sorry, I disagree. It's getting late for me. Maybe we can discuss this another time. My hope is that you get an accommodation for the issue that you raised with WOTB. Have a great night.

                        [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Muted. The civility is lacking on that sub.

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