Tulsi Gabbard on GETTR: I get the feeling some people are using Joe Rogan's COVID interview as a pretext to silence his voice because he's not woke. Zealots of wokeism try to censor voices who don't agree with theirs, because they fear the absurdity and weakness of their positions will be exposed.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

4 billion administered doses is no longer experimental. Vaccines are developed on a continuous basis, to respond to new strains.

Science is not a monolith. Every potential problem is examined with the usual form of scientific scrutiny, and in this case, those issues for mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades. Referring to the scientific approach is to refer to international efforts by scientists to understand and develop the vaccine. (By contrast, a comment by one non-scientist, or also by just a handful of scientists, is not founded on anything like the same kind of scrutiny as the international scientific research.)

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in this case, those issues for mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades

True. And the trials went so badly that they needed an overblown pandemic to actually approve mRNA for human use. Pfizer and Moderna are the first approved mRNA medicines ever.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I get it. People are worried about new vaccines. But there are helpful sources about the history and uses of mRNA vaccines, just two of which are here:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

https://www.genengnews.com/topics/omics/top-10-rna-based-biopharmas

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I already found a lie

The first mRNA vaccines using these fatty envelopes were developed against the deadly Ebola virus, but since that virus is only found in a limited number of African countries, it had no commercial development in the U.S.

If that's true, why are there 3 approved non-mRNA ebola vaccines? One from J+J and one from Canada/Merck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_vaccine

look at this non-science shit

Thanks to decades of research and innovation, mRNA vaccine technology was ready.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And one reason the mRNA version was not viable for US commercial use was perhaps because of the two other non-mRNA vaccines available.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad we agree that this Johns Hopkins article is full of shit and not shooting straight.

[–]AXXA[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

4 billion administered doses is no longer experimental.

Number of doses doesn't change its experimental nature. It just raises the stakes and potential human toll. Doctor Robert Malone is the inventor of the mRNA injections. He says using mRNA injections to reprogram your body to be a spike protein factory has dangerous risks that outweigh any possible benefit for people that aren't elderly or obese. We should ship the obese to fat camps until they learn to stop stuffing their face. We should only be giving the experimental injections to the elderly so that we limit the number of mutations driven by the leaky non-sterilizing injection.